Outlander PHEV Sub-Zero Operation Question

[ArthurUK]

Excellent pictures. I agree the pipes and the location of the heater under the seat smack of a last minute addition.
The pipes are also vulnerable to damage, I put a skid plate over mine and some pipe insulation on them.

When the press report EV's as a simpler more reliable design, they omit to mention the multiple cooling/heating systems and many expensive ECU's.
My first Outlander was T Boned by an idiot coming out of side road without looking, even though the structural damage was minor, I had the insurer write it off, because of the risk of unknown battery damage. They said they couldnt risk it catching fire later, as they had had previous fires.

 

[drwho]

-11'C and still in Turtle Mode, not able to set to EV Mode because Battery is too cold.... still.View attachment 1661

Even though Toronto weather is normally milder than Winnipeg weather and I most likely won't have any severe cold weather issues here, I'm still ticked off that this crap does happen to what appears to be a well-designed vehicle.

The temperature here could easily get to minus 20 or so and I would be hesitant to drive this car to a store or somewhere and leave it parked outside unplugged. Having to maintain the expense of a second vehicle that runs on gas because of this obvious fault is expensive and annoying.
This shortcoming should absolutely be disclosed to anyone considering purchasing a current Outlander and I can't believe that it isn't somehow illegal to sell a vehicle with a known major issue that could easily cause an unsafe situation, or death, if an unsuspecting driver was to stop and let the vehicle sit for a few hours in the wrong place.

Again, I will probably be okay and may not experience this problem personally, but if I had known about it, I would not have bought the 2024 Outlander. If someone gets a lawyer involved and there's a petition to sign to force Mitsubishi to design/provide a retrofit battery warmer, I would be happy to get behind it.
Best of luck Andre, and I sincerely hope you don't accidentally stop your car in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and meet an early demise.
Dave

 

[ronnieracoon]

-11'C and still in Turtle Mode, not able to set to EV Mode because Battery is too cold.... still.View attachment 1661

-11'C and still in Turtle Mode, not able to set to EV Mode because Battery is too cold.... still.View attachment 1661

I believe that most plug-in hybrids are like this. I previously had an ioniq 2019 PHEV and in cold weather like you experienced, the ice was running constantly. My l/100km was double that of summer early fall. Just the way that tech works.

 

[PHEV07]

I believe that most plug-in hybrids are like this. I previously had an ioniq 2019 PHEV and in cold weather like you experienced, the ice was running constantly. My l/100km was double that of summer early fall. Just the way that tech works.

My precious 2018 and 2022 never experienced loss of Power at temperatures as low as -12'C. It would happen yes but not untill the Temperatures reached temperatures of -30' or lower and only when the Drive Battery Charge Level was very low.

The Battery Management Heat system would automatically Heat the Battery Pack at -20'C because these 2018 to 2022 PHEV had an embedded Resistive Heater in the Battery Pack.

The 2023 and newer Models do not.

All other PHEVs in the Market do.

As far as Cab Heating is concerned, I was able to Drive my 2018 to 2022 in EV mode at temperatures as low as -18'C and still had enough heat to keep the Windshield clear. Because these Models did have a resistive/ceramic heater rated at 5.7kw I believe. Not certain on value.


With the 2023 to 2025 because there is no Resistive Cab Heater but just a Heat Pump, there is no useful Heat at temperatures lower than -12'C. So only good things these cRs do is to force the ICE to run but there is no way to get the car to go back to EV Mode even if the Drive Battery is fully Charged.

All other PHEVs on the Market do have Resistive Cab Heaters as did the 2018 to 2022 and of course, as do, all pure EV vehicles.

 

[ronnieracoon]

My precious 2018 and 2022 never experienced loss of Power at temperatures as low as -12'C. It would happen yes but not untill the Temperatures reached temperatures of -30' or lower and only when the Drive Battery Charge Level was very low.

The Battery Management Heat system would automatically Heat the Battery Pack at -20'C because these 2018 to 2022 PHEV had an embedded Resistive Heater in the Battery Pack.

The 2023 and newer Models do not.

All other PHEVs in the Market do.

As far as Cab Heating is concerned, I was able to Drive my 2018 to 2022 in EV mode at temperatures as low as -18'C and still had enough heat to keep the Windshield clear. Because these Models did have a resistive/ceramic heater rated at 5.7kw I believe. Not certain on value.


With the 2023 to 2025 because there is no Resistive Cab Heater but just a Heat Pump, there is no useful Heat at temperatures lower than -12'C. So only good things these cRs do is to force the ICE to run but there is no way to get the car to go back to EV Mode even if the Drive Battery is fully Charged.

All other PHEVs on the Market do have Resistive Cab Heaters as did the 2018 to 2022 and of course, as do, all pure EV vehicles.

Just so I 'm clear. Is your vehicle drivable in ICE mode? Beyond the battery acting wonky, or cabin heat issues in EV are you still able to get where you want but in ICE mode?