Long distance driving

[anko]

(Outlander PHEV is officially reported to consume 0 in urban, 0 in suburban and 1.8L/100km in motorway)

Again, you are mis informed

I took data from here: http://www.quattroruote.it/auto/mitsubishi/outlander/outlander-20-mivec-4wd-phev-inplusda-118076201610

I see. I guess they are mis informed too. The correct numbers have been mentioned here lots and lots of times. And they do take into account the difference between starting with an empty or a full battery.

 

[elm70]

If you can only achieve less than 28mpg when driving at 75mph, then I think it says more about your driving style than it does about the efficiency of the car.

I was using a smartphone yesterday ... so was copy paste from a different post

So ... it was not me doing 28mpg at 75mph

My driving style maybe is bad ... but on motorway I'm using CC and 99% of time I don't touch any pedal ...

 

[geoffshep69]

If you can only achieve less than 28mpg when driving at 75mph, then I think it says more about your driving style than it does about the efficiency of the car.

I was using a smartphone yesterday ... so was copy paste from a different post

So ... it was not me doing 28mpg at 75mph

My driving style maybe is bad ... but on motorway I'm using CC and 99% of time I don't touch any pedal ...

In that case my apologies, it wasn't obviuous from your post that it was a quote from someone else

My point stands though, I don't think that 28mpg is an accurate reflection of what the vast majority of people should achieve if driving at 75mph.

 

[geoffshep69]

Regarding the points about false advertising, etc. by Mitsubishi regarding the potential mpg, surely people should be blaming the official testing authorities for not having a suitable test for hybrid vehicles, rather than blaming Mitsubishi ?

Unless Mitsubishi have somehow cheated the test, or falsified the figures, (which I doubt) then I don’t see what they have done wrong. They performed the official test, achieved 156mpg, so can use this in their advertising. Is that any different from another manufacturer in a ‘normal’ car achieving 55mpg in the test and using that in their advertising, even though in the real world you are unlikely to ever get more than 50 mpg ?

We all know that with a hybrid the mpg can vary massively depending on the nature of driving. On a long motorway journey it might be closer to 35-40, but on a short urban journey it could be infinite mpg. My daily journey (which I would regard as being fairly typical) is a 13 mile commute each way. At this time of year I can do about 20 miles of that on EV, so my mpg for the entire day can easily be above the quoted figure of 156.

If anyone buys a £30k+ car on the strength of seeing one figure in an advert, spends most of their life on the motorway and then complains that they havent achieved 156mpg, then more fool them in my opinion.

 

[elm70]

Regarding the points about false advertising, etc. by Mitsubishi regarding the potential mpg, surely people should be blaming the official testing authorities for not having a suitable test for hybrid vehicles, rather than blaming Mitsubishi ?

Unless Mitsubishi have somehow cheated the test, or falsified the figures, (which I doubt) then I don’t see what they have done wrong. They performed the official test, achieved 156mpg, so can use this in their advertising. Is that any different from another manufacturer in a ‘normal’ car achieving 55mpg in the test and using that in their advertising, even though in the real world you are unlikely to ever get more than 50 mpg ?

We all know that with a hybrid the mpg can vary massively depending on the nature of driving. On a long motorway journey it might be closer to 35-40, but on a short urban journey it could be infinite mpg. My daily journey (which I would regard as being fairly typical) is a 13 mile commute each way. At this time of year I can do about 20 miles of that on EV, so my mpg for the entire day can easily be above the quoted figure of 156.

If anyone buys a £30k+ car on the strength of seeing one figure in an advert, spends most of their life on the motorway and then complains that they havent achieved 156mpg, then more fool them in my opinion.

Totally agree (actually almost )

I'm not blaming Mitsubishi of cheating ... and yes .. it is looking that consumption report got worst ... in the old day was easy to understand consumption at constant speed with 90km/h and 120km/h as reference speed + the "fuzzy" city consumption

For hybrid / PHEV car they should have two type of test:
Range test like for EV cars
Standard ICE test, but done only with battery empty at the test start.

Anyhow ... fix speed consumption .. is a clear indication of car efficiency (aerodynamic plus ICE + else) ... done in proper environment is totally reliable and not effected by driving style

BTW: Since my link was said to be wrong ... what are the official numbers of this PHEV consumption .. and which is the "official" or "correct" web link to it?

 

[elm70]

In that case my apologies, it wasn't obviuous from your post that it was a quote from someone else

My point stands though, I don't think that 28mpg is an accurate reflection of what the vast majority of people should achieve if driving at 75mph.

I totally don't believe in driving style when driving at constant speed ... if there is traffic on motorway, then the consumption is not accurate, since people may have often a variable speed that mess up the data

I'm normally driving faster then 75mph in the motorway ... but I believe I'm not going to get any better then 28mpg as I quoted ... I have seen around 23mpg at 87mph (dash speed but with winter tyres) ... pretty reliable data since extracted from a single 200km trip done 98% in CC (my PHEV has no ACC ) ... reliable as reliable is the MMCS (which apparently is reported to be accurate)

 

[anko]

For hybrid / PHEV car they should have two type of test:
Range test like for EV cars
Standard ICE test, but done only with battery empty at the test start.

...

BTW: Since my link was said to be wrong ... what are the official numbers of this PHEV consumption .. and which is the "official" or "correct" web link to it?

There are actually three types of test:
Range: outcome 52 km.
Mixed consumption with depleted battery: 5.8 l / 100 km.
Mixed consumption with full battery: 1.9 l /100 km.

These numbers apply to 2013 / 2014 models. And maybe 2015. 2016 is slightly better.

The last number is 'calculated':

Deplete the battery and drive 25 km more in hybrid mode. This yields an average consumption of ( 52 km * 0.0 l / 100 km + 25 km * 5.8 l / 100 km ) / 77 km = 1.9 l /100 km. The 25 in this equation is not something Mitsu came up with, but is part of the official standard for measuring hybrid cars. Had the battery been bigger, the end result would have been better, as the 52 had been a higher number.

See http://www.mitsubishi-motors.nl/workarea/downloadasset.aspx?id=57982058783, top of page 33. Advertised 2016 numbers are indeed better.

 

[CraigN]

Today was my first drive of the car (beyond my test miles). Start 17 miles on the clock, end 125 miles, 108 miles in total today. Start was 1/2 battery and full tank of petrol. Got home and the range left indicator said 189 miles. The outward leg economy indicator had four leaf things, whatever that meant, and the drive back had two. The drive in was at rush hour peak with lots of inconsistent driving speeds, the drive home was 80%+ on adaptive cruise control at 70mph (110kph).

Things I need to find from the manual:
- How to "cancel" traffic broadcasts that are not relevant or when I'm finished with them.
- How to launch playlists from my iPhone without having to actually fire it from my phone first.
- If there's a way to mute the audio from the steering wheel.
- The most effective way to de-mist the windscreen. It seemed to take far longer than I'm used to with other cars, even with the electric heater almost instant-warm heating.

Things that I am struggling with:
- The key buttons... just don't seem to be in a sensible order. Probably just me being awkward though!
- Being distracted by too many toys. Again, just me being distracted by the shiny, shiny...
- Cruise control wanting to slow me down far too far away from other cars despite it being on the shortest setting. Again, probably my driving style more than the car.
- The sliding seats. My first car in years without sports seats so my bum slides around more than I like!

Things that are giving me an interesting challenge:
- Changing from a big diesel with lots of low-end grunt and low-rev acceleration to one where the economy figures just floor as soon as my foot gets a bit heavy!
- Wondering whether to turn the lane departure warning off as the be-beep thing is just annoying, or is it just me cruising too close to the lane lines on empty roads? Advanced driving allows you to ghost over lanes when there's no risk or other road users to distract but the car gets huffy about it.

Other things that amused me:
- Telling a scamming power point installer that he can go fornicate with himself for trying to con me into upgrading my house electrics, installing a new garage consumer unit and installing other unnecessary things when the current cabling is perfectly fine with 16A branch line already going into the garage with it's own completely unused consumer unit directly from the main house power inlet. There are advantages occasionally about being an electronic engineer!

But, overall, first impressions of a long drive are good. Might need to refuel more than I'd like but there's no real problem with that.

 

[jaapv]

Haha the lane departure warning is just a high-pressure course to train you out of sloppy driving. Don't turn it off - in a few weeks time you'll stay with in the lines, the ACC will keep you from tailgating and you'll drive like a gentleman ever after. :lol: :lol:

 

[CraigN]

Haha the lane departure warning is just a high-pressure course to train you out of sloppy driving. Don't turn it off - in a few weeks time you'll stay with in the lines, the ACC will keep you from tailgating and you'll drive like a gentleman ever after. :lol: :lol:

That's the thing though, it's not sloppy driving. The advanced driving course in the UK teaches you to use the maximum amount of road, especially on smaller country roads, when they're free of other road users. For example, you can slide right to get a better view round a left hand turn or cut across lanes on an empty dual carriageway to straighten road curves. I'll give it a while but I may end up turning it off just to stop that annoying be-beep.

 

[jaapv]

In other countries, like for instance France and the Netherlands, it will earn you a hefty fine... (over here up to 500 €)

 

[maby]

In other countries, like for instance France and the Netherlands, it will earn you a hefty fine... (over here up to 500 €)

What will?

 

[jaapv]

This driving style: (the post before )

Haha the lane departure warning is just a high-pressure course to train you out of sloppy driving. Don't turn it off - in a few weeks time you'll stay with in the lines, the ACC will keep you from tailgating and you'll drive like a gentleman ever after. :lol: :lol:

That's the thing though, it's not sloppy driving. The advanced driving course in the UK teaches you to use the maximum amount of road, especially on smaller country roads, when they're free of other road users. For example, you can slide right to get a better view round a left hand turn or cut across lanes on an empty dual carriageway to straighten road curves. I'll give it a while but I may end up turning it off just to stop that annoying be-beep.

 

[CraigN]

Thought I'd post an update on the driving efficiency. Starting with an empty battery, I got 287 miles before the refuel alert first came up. That was driving at almost entirely 70mph using cruise control on standard British motorways and dual carriageways.

Where we're staying now on holiday, I can recharge the car by draping a cable from a window so I'm getting far better efficiency. I did a 30 mile round trip yesterday on some very hilly terrain and the car showed 111mpg when I finished. I'm still taking time to adjust from having a 600 mile range on my old Audi to a car that'll do half of that but it is very pleasing to see treble digit fuel efficiency on shorter journeys!

I'm still less than enamoured by the design of the interface with the car's technology, it really needs a lot of work when you compare it with the slicker German car designs.

 

[Muddywheels]

Did a 90 mile trip today without any electric and got 35 mpg (same as I used to average in the Discovery Sport diesel) - happy to live with this for the very rare occasions I will do this type of trip - worst up to now was 42 mpg on long trip but normally much better :mrgreen:

 

[Dusz]

On 28th did a return trip from mid Suffolk to Luton airport to drop off one of my son's and got 36 mpg. On some other trips I have managed to get just over 40 mpg. It does depend also on whether there is a headwind or not.

 

[maby]

We have 28,000 miles on the clock, mostly long distance, motorway speed, petrol driven and it's still showing a lifetime average consumption of 42mpg.

 

[RichardM]

Haha the lane departure warning is just a high-pressure course to train you out of sloppy driving. Don't turn it off - in a few weeks time you'll stay with in the lines, the ACC will keep you from tailgating and you'll drive like a gentleman ever after. :lol: :lol:

That's the thing though, it's not sloppy driving. The advanced driving course in the UK teaches you to use the maximum amount of road, especially on smaller country roads, when they're free of other road users. For example, you can slide right to get a better view round a left hand turn or cut across lanes on an empty dual carriageway to straighten road curves. I'll give it a while but I may end up turning it off just to stop that annoying be-beep.

Exactly this, plus you wouldn't use your indicators on a motorway for example when their use would not benefit other drivers.

I think Lane departure is a very bad idea. It gets people used to using technology rather than their eyes and being aware of what's happening around them.

 

[jaapv]

Not using indicators when switching lanes...Another 150 Euro fine...

 

[RichardM]

Not using indicators when switching lanes...Another 150 Euro fine...

Even if no one else around?