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jaapv said:
He drove in normal traffic, including motorways - but he is a champion economy driver And, of course, no charging.

Actually my average @ 120 kph (GPS) is close to 12 km/l. With ACC on it drops to about 11 km/l. The car is very sensitive to driving style. It is as much about fluidity as about speed.

My aim is to be a champion on minimizing the time spent driving, avoiding police stop and extra penalty fee ;)

About driving style ... I though on motorway there is not much "style" ... it is just about going slow ... possible the guy is a champion, but it must be hated in the motorway by many bus & truck drivers
 
And we are back at were we were. You keep producing posts on how uneconomical this car is, but yet you have no intention whatsoever to (try to) drive it in an economical way. I think you disqualify yourself. Again.
 
elm70 said:
jaapv said:
He drove in normal traffic, including motorways - but he is a champion economy driver And, of course, no charging.

Actually my average @ 120 kph (GPS) is close to 12 km/l. With ACC on it drops to about 11 km/l. The car is very sensitive to driving style. It is as much about fluidity as about speed.

My aim is to be a champion on minimizing the time spent driving, avoiding police stop and extra penalty fee ;)

About driving style ... I though on motorway there is not much "style" ... it is just about going slow ... possible the guy is a champion, but it must be hated in the motorway by many bus & truck drivers

Fair enough if that’s how you choose to drive, but you can hardly then complain about the economy being poor and significantly less than you expected / was advertised ?

And I do think that economy can be influenced by driving style, regardless of speed. My wife and I both drive at roughly the same speed, but I can always achieve better economy figures as I’m more aware of acceleration, braking, ‘coasting’ where possibly (using B0) and generally trying to drive more smoothly.

Driving at 70-75 mph on the motorway can easily return c.35 mpg which I don’t think is unreasonable for this size of car.
 
So, just got my new car and, having spent some time scanning through the manuals, I'm now convinced that I can improve fuel efficiency by simply leaving the brick of a manual at home ;)

I have a 100 mile round trip to do tomorrow so I'll get a decent indication of the economy then.
 
CraigN said:
So, just got my new car and, having spent some time scanning through the manuals, I'm now convinced that I can improve fuel efficiency by simply leaving the brick of a manual at home ;)

I have a 100 mile round trip to do tomorrow so I'll get a decent indication of the economy then.

Yes, it is pretty sizeable, especially if you have also have the separate MMCS manual.

However….I do recommend trying to read through it when you can, there is a lot of stuff in there that you wouldn’t find out about otherwise.

The manual also looks worse than it is, if you ignore all the safety warnings and disclaimers splashed everywhere, you can significantly cut down the amount of stuff you actually need to read.
 
geoffshep69 said:
CraigN said:
So, just got my new car and, having spent some time scanning through the manuals, I'm now convinced that I can improve fuel efficiency by simply leaving the brick of a manual at home ;)

I have a 100 mile round trip to do tomorrow so I'll get a decent indication of the economy then.

Yes, it is pretty sizeable, especially if you have also have the separate MMCS manual.

However….I do recommend trying to read through it when you can, there is a lot of stuff in there that you wouldn’t find out about otherwise.

The manual also looks worse than it is, if you ignore all the safety warnings and disclaimers splashed everywhere, you can significantly cut down the amount of stuff you actually need to read.
The manufacturer really needs to learn usability lessons in designing interfaces. It really isn't intuitive in the slightest. I'd suggest to them going hiring a Merc, Audi or BMW for a few weeks and plagiarising the best bits of usability from them. My Audi that I'm getting rid of on Wednesday was idiot-proof simple in setting up the multimedia interface and other settings, while this is just clunky. The simple act of getting it to play a playlist from bluetooth on my iPhone was far too complex. The rule with computer interfaces is simple, if you need a manual to understand it then you've failed in designing a successful interface.

The biggest annoyance was finding that the car had virtually everything turned off when I got it from parking sensors to automatic lights. At least it taught me where all the buttons were to turn things on. I know I'll be driving it tomorrow and then find I need something else turned on and will get frustrated at having to dig out the manual.

I thoroughly love having my new car and am already looking forward to driving it around but the excitement definitely has a chip in it over the unnecessarily complex interface.
 
CraigN said:
So, just got my new car and, having spent some time scanning through the manuals, I'm now convinced that I can improve fuel efficiency by simply leaving the brick of a manual at home ;)
You can always take a PDF if you have a smartphone :)
 
geoffshep69 said:
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And I do think that economy can be influenced by driving style, regardless of speed. My wife and I both drive at roughly the same speed, but I can always achieve better economy figures as I’m more aware of acceleration, braking, ‘coasting’ where possibly (using B0) and generally trying to drive more smoothly.
....

I also tend to get much better fuel consumption than my wife in the same car - but I think the primary cause is the use of cruise control. My wife hates it and does not know how to engage it; I love it and drive on CC almost all the time - even on urban roads. It enforces a smoothness of driving that is almost impossible on manual control
 
anko said:
And we are back at were we were. You keep producing posts on how uneconomical this car is, but yet you have no intention whatsoever to (try to) drive it in an economical way. I think you disqualify yourself. Again.

On motorway I'm using CC, and normally not much input is need,
Just saying I will never slow down to 80km/h for save fuel
I guess the champion possibly used some trucks in front for cut air on motorway

Anyhow jaap also reported quite high fuel consumption in his motorway trips

Fact is simple, when battery is over, consumption is pretty high, with 45L tank motorway range is short

I think rolling the EV motor over 100kmh is causing big waste, they should have put both E motor behind a clutch
 
elm70 said:
anko said:
And we are back at were we were. You keep producing posts on how uneconomical this car is, but yet you have no intention whatsoever to (try to) drive it in an economical way. I think you disqualify yourself. Again.


Fact is simple, when battery is over, consumption is pretty high, with 45L tank motorway range is short

I suppose it depends on your definition of "pretty high" - in comparison to what ?

Its an 1800kg, 2.0L petrol SUV and will return c.35 mpg when driven on the motorway at 70-75 mph. Which similar vehicles produce significantly better fuel economy and lead you to your conclusion that the Outlander's consumption is "pretty high" ?
 
elm70 said:
anko said:
And we are back at were we were. You keep producing posts on how uneconomical this car is, but yet you have no intention whatsoever to (try to) drive it in an economical way. I think you disqualify yourself. Again.

On motorway I'm using CC, and normally not much input is need,
Just saying I will never slow down to 80km/h for save fuel
I guess the champion possibly used some trucks in front for cut air on motorway

Anyhow jaap also reported quite high fuel consumption in his motorway trips

Fact is simple, when battery is over, consumption is pretty high, with 45L tank motorway range is short

I think rolling the EV motor over 100kmh is causing big waste, they should have put both E motor behind a clutch
You may think they should have. But whomever the designers had in mind when designing this vehicle, it was probably not somebody who wanted to go 'as fast as possible all the time without being pulled over by the police'. :mrgreen:
 
elm70 said:
anko said:
And we are back at were we were. You keep producing posts on how uneconomical this car is, but yet you have no intention whatsoever to (try to) drive it in an economical way. I think you disqualify yourself. Again.

On motorway I'm using CC, and normally not much input is need,
Just saying I will never slow down to 80km/h for save fuel
I guess the champion possibly used some trucks in front for cut air on motorway

Anyhow jaap also reported quite high fuel consumption in his motorway trips

Fact is simple, when battery is over, consumption is pretty high, with 45L tank motorway range is short

I think rolling the EV motor over 100kmh is causing big waste, they should have put both E motor behind a clutch
Quite - on the Autobahn driving 140-160 kph in busy traffic. I would not classify that as frugal driving. In Holland, at a sedate 120-130 I do much better. Anyhow, the OP suggested a worst case scenario, best not to raise expectations.
 
elm70 said:
anko said:
And we are back at were we were. You keep producing posts on how uneconomical this car is, but yet you have no intention whatsoever to (try to) drive it in an economical way. I think you disqualify yourself. Again.

On motorway I'm using CC, and normally not much input is need,
Just saying I will never slow down to 80km/h for save fuel
I guess the champion possibly used some trucks in front for cut air on motorway

Anyhow jaap also reported quite high fuel consumption in his motorway trips

Fact is simple, when battery is over, consumption is pretty high, with 45L tank motorway range is short

I think rolling the EV motor over 100kmh is causing big waste, they should have put both E motor behind a clutch
Quite - on the Autobahn driving 140-160 kph in busy traffic, often fully loaded, often with a box on top.... I would not classify that as frugal driving. In Holland, at a sedate 120-130 I do much better.
 
geoffshep69 said:
I suppose it depends on your definition of "pretty high" - in comparison to what ?

Its an 1800kg, 2.0L petrol SUV and will return c.35 mpg when driven on the motorway at 70-75 mph. Which similar vehicles produce significantly better fuel economy and lead you to your conclusion that the Outlander's consumption is "pretty high" ?


Smartphone quote :
Actually my average @ 120 kph (GPS) is close to 12 km/l. With ACC on it drops to about 11 km/l.

Similar speed... But less then 28mpg

My 335i 400hp has 1.8tons too, but at any speed above 120kmh consume less then my PHEV

The 335i has not been designed for save fuel
 
Hmm.. Not my preferred car by a long chalk. A bit of an overpowered Leopard tank. I drove Jaguars and Volvos before this. They were more economical too at high speed -lower profile.
 
Fuel consumption at motorway speeds for this size of car is not bad. Last week I drove to Brussels. Took on fuel at Ipswich, drove to Brussels and then refuelled approx 30 km west of Lille. Not too bad considering by the time I fuelled at Ipswich I was almost out of EV, got 10 miles worth of charge at Eurotunnel Folkestone terminal and got a full charge at Brussels.
With any car, economy depends on your use of the right pedal and the brake pedal. Anticipation is key. Even with my previous diesel Civic if I drove over a true 75 mph the fuel consumption rose.
 
I was trying to google the 90km/h and 120km/h consumption ... long time ago was consider a standard

Now it has been changed to urban, suburban, and motorway ... dummy standardized .. with test that probably have less then 50km to be driven

So ... all the PHEV car get useless results .... (Outlander PHEV is officially reported to consume 0 in urban, 0 in suburban and 1.8L/100km in motorway)

Not only it cause confusion for the customers, but it is looking a way to "cheat" any tax or limitation associated to it

Due to this ... is hard and subjective to state the real motorway efficiency of this PHEV ... my "feeling" is telling me that this hybrid has big limitation for motorway usage (Opel Ampera possibly is a better approach as Hybrid, but it is not 4x4 nor a SUV (SUV is a detail to me, but 4x4 is not)) ... but ... maybe the reference car to be consider is the BMW 225xe ... anyhow ... as long the motorway usage is limited .. is not an issue .. still I see many 2nd hand Outlander PHEV for sale with over 200k km on the clock .. so .. somebody use these PHEV only for sucks country tax discount, and waste tons of fuel on motorway
 
elm70 said:
geoffshep69 said:
I suppose it depends on your definition of "pretty high" - in comparison to what ?

Its an 1800kg, 2.0L petrol SUV and will return c.35 mpg when driven on the motorway at 70-75 mph. Which similar vehicles produce significantly better fuel economy and lead you to your conclusion that the Outlander's consumption is "pretty high" ?


Smartphone quote :
Actually my average @ 120 kph (GPS) is close to 12 km/l. With ACC on it drops to about 11 km/l.

Similar speed... But less then 28mpg

My 335i 400hp has 1.8tons too, but at any speed above 120kmh consume less then my PHEV

The 335i has not been designed for save fuel

If you can only achieve less than 28mpg when driving at 75mph, then I think it says more about your driving style than it does about the efficiency of the car.
 
anko said:
elm70 said:
(Outlander PHEV is officially reported to consume 0 in urban, 0 in suburban and 1.8L/100km in motorway)
Again, you are mis informed :cry:

I took data from here: http://www.quattroruote.it/auto/mitsubishi/outlander/outlander-20-mivec-4wd-phev-inplusda-118076201610
 
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