How long can these cars last?

[Moley 17]

True that, a mate of mine has one of those expensive Dutch bikes.

I use silicon 'dry lube' on the transmissions of my bicycles.

At least we don't have a push belt in our e-cvt transmission.

 

[yardbird]

The transmission lines of Edison failed lately & caused nightmares for us in LA!

 

[Farmer Palmer]

You haven't looked under your car have you? There is no propellor shaft, and no transfer case. The rear diff contains an electric motor instead.

To be clear the PHEV has no gearing, no reduction range, and are totally incapable of high torque low speed 4WD. They are strictly townie 4WD for getting off wet grass.

Not strictly true. They run on their electric (high torque) motors and drive on fully engaged (front to back) 4 wheel drive using (as many 4x4’s now do) anti lock brake sensor technology to work out when traction is being lost and on which wheel to adjust drive effectively.
I’m a farmer with a lot of experience of 4x4’s etc and have tested my Outlander round the farm. I was expecting a less than impressive result but the off road performance is actually surprisingly competent, accepting the limitations of tyre type and ground clearance. I would agree that water depth performance is a lot less than more hard core ICE 4x4’s but it is mostly an estate car in design so allowances should be made

 

[littlescrote]

Good to see the word being used correctly for several posts in a row

Edit: apart from that nonsense about an e-CVT from Moley 17

 

[Moley 17]

Good to see the word being used correctly for several posts in a row

Edit: apart from that nonsense about an e-CVT from Moley 17

Nonsense to some maybe! The "Push Belt" is the main drive link in a normal CVT, the bit that gets CVT's a bad name.

https://www.bosch-mobility.com/en/solutions/transmission-technology/pushbelt/

 

[wad2502]

Anyone have more than 100,000 miles on their PHEV?

359000 and it just died this week. came up with a collection of errors including HV battery service required, and suspension /abs /traction control problems. really messed up and something major has gone. so its now destined for recycling.

 

[littlescrote]

Nonsense to some maybe! The "Push Belt" is the main drive link in a normal CVT, the bit that gets CVT's a bad name.

https://www.bosch-mobility.com/en/solutions/transmission-technology/pushbelt/

And? What's that got to do with Outlander PHEVs?

 

[Moley 17]

And? What's that got to do with Outlander PHEVs?

Some people get upset with the word Transmission! kinda guessed a belt that pushes would get a reaction, how about a second clutch in the PHEV? Calling it a duel clutch Transmission isn't technically incorrect!

 

[michael8554]

A duel clutch would have quite a fight !

 

[Moley 17]

A duel clutch would have quite a fight !

Ha Ha, yes! but to be honest it's only there to break up a fight between the engine and box, Transmission, e-CVT, gear case or whatever you fancy? "Dual" function? torque limiting and vibration damping.

 

[littlescrote]

Some people get upset with the word Transmission! kinda guessed a belt that pushes would get a reaction, how about a second clutch in the PHEV? Calling it a duel clutch Transmission isn't technically incorrect!

It gets a reaction as it doesn't exist.

 

[Moley 17]

It gets a reaction as it doesn't exist.

All joking aside, a Push belt is a thing! the link above will take you to the Bosch website and gives a brief description. "Webber auto" on YouTube does an excellent video showing a full break down of the normal CVT including it's push belt, he also does an in depth video on multi mode hybrid transmissions.

 

[Moley 17]

All joking aside, a Push belt is a thing! the link above will take you to the Bosch website and gives a brief description. "Webber auto" on YouTube does an excellent video showing a full break down of the normal CVT including it's push belt, he also does an in depth video on multi mode hybrid transmissions.

This is a link to Webber Auto on YouTube e-CVT. unfortunately it's not the Outlanders simpler system.
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[greendwarf]

Reverting to the original thread title - I yesterday had a conversation with a a fellow Mitsu owner in Brent Cross's multi-storey car park (Norf Lundun) and was congratulating him on how well his his car looked in comparison to my younger version.

This prompted a complaint that he was very disappointed that his battery was defunct (although still able to drive as a Prius type hybrid obvs!) and he couldn't get a replacement now that Mitsu have withdrawn from the UK market - he mentioned the US class action.

When asked about mileage I was a bit surprised that he was also complaining that the warranty wasn't good enough, as he told me that it had done 130,000 miles on an 11 year old car. (NB. I still get 18-20 miles per charge with 75,000 after 10 years! )

Given that after 12 years and 114,000 miles, my previous Avensis was was worth less than £100 and was seriously starting to fail in lots of areas, I think perhaps he was was being somewhat unrealistic about longevity of just the battery!

 

[MadTechNutter]

10 years of Australian heat, 108,000km, still 30km range in and around town, barely 18km on the highway.
Just started with nasty RBS warnings but is currently working again.

I use it almost only as an EV but I only recently found out that Australians haven't grasped the concept of a PHEV.
It seems the average Australian only sees and uses it as a hybrid and they couldn't be bothered plugging it into a powerpoint after their trip.
I found this out in a magazine from our state Automobile club called NRMA, where they compare our Mitsu PHEV with a Corolla or Hyundai petrol hybrid and rate the PHEV as the worst as it is expensive and uses too much fuel.
359 days a year I use ZERO fuel, duh!
It is also a lot larger than a Corolla.
The consensus that an EV needs to be driven at least 300km every day by everyone never seems to disappear in this country of conservative numbskulls, so we are 10 years behind everybody else when it comes to EV's and consequently actually functioning (non Tesla) charging stations are as rare as hen's teeth.

 

[HeliNurse]

Agreed, when we lived and worked in Adelaide I got 3 days commuting on one charge and then recharged with solar. The only cost of fuel over 2 years was the cars demand for fresh fuel...FEED ME!!
Now we are rural the car takes me into town on ev and back as hybrid, cost of fuel <50%. On a run into Adelaide yesterday, with a full charge, it returned 8.2 l/100km driven hard in normal. Not bad considering the Disco returns 19l/km for the same trip. Also due to the battery scare here, I get to be loaded onto the ferry last and am,therefore, off first.

 

[Geolog]

2016 PHEV 116.000klms, best car ever owned, and still does 32 klms on battery

I have low mileage 35K miles (56k km) on a 2017 Juro PHEV and still getting between 30 and 40 km on battery. Ditto, best car I ever owned.

 

[IsmaTime]

359000 and it just died this week. came up with a collection of errors including HV battery service required, and suspension /abs /traction control problems. really messed up and something major has gone. so its now destined for recycling.

What model did you have ? And did you done something that resulted in those errors or they just appeared out of nowhere ?

 

[The Master]

What model did you have ? And did you done something that resulted in those errors or they just appeared out of nowhere ?

I have a 2017 Mitsi PHEV Exceed, it just clocked over 50,116 kms.
I use it in electric mostly near home, St Andrews Sydney and on trips to Canberra (Australia's Capital) some 2 hours and 45 mins trip to Parliament House, ( 212Kms away 132.5 Miles ) I use it with petrol and both Front & Rear electric motors for the hills.
It has a top speed ( by Satellite) of 169 kph down the highway (about 105 mph).

It still goes great, my Wife and I love it, after 7 years, we can say, the only thing we spent AUD $67 on was new front disk pads, new wiper blades and rear wiper.
I have installed air horns on our PHEV, I personally designed a small electronic switching box that does not blow the air bags. The dealership told me if I fitted them, then I would blow the air bags.

What Horse puckey !

I have not taken it back to the Mitsubishi Dealership, I simply do not trust them.

I am an Electronics technician and polymath, I design electronics for a living as well as service/repair most electronics of all types that wanders in to my business, of which I established in 1978.

I have done three oil changes, I chose Mobil One Synthetic and not that dealer supplied pathetic "cooking oil" Castrol oil that the dealer once serviced it when it was new and put that low grade oil in the ICE. Shame on them !

This Castrol oil is a low "stress test" breakdown oil, so low, it virtually fails test breakdown of the Castrol proved to be a failure on the Failex test.

Failex test was done by Queensland University of Technology, Brisbane.
They have the Failex test machine/apparatus

I do not want my PHEV to have any ICE failures. The Mitzi dealership put it in once, I drained it out and put Mobil One Synthetic myself.

On all occasions, I installed a new oil filters of course, as well as replaced the Air filter and cabin air Filter.

That is why I do not trust Dealerships.
Full stop. Better to do your own oil changes and cheap "cooking oil" rubbish is what the Mitzi dealers typically use.

My PHEV is an investment and I believe in looking after my Investment.

That's about it, a bloody great vehicle !!!

Good one, Mitsubishi !

 

[fazibazi]

Anyone have more than 100,000 miles on their PHEV?

260k kilometers here