Waiting time for the Outlander PHEV

[kev04]

Hi everyone! Let us talk about how long it takes to receive your Outlander. Tell us where you live, when you ordered it, variant, and when you got it or when they told you it would be ready.

 

[PHEV07]

I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada.

I was driving a 2004 Nissan Maxima 3.5L and loved the car but due a left Arthritic hip I was finding it more difficult to get in and out of the car so I decided on SUV.

I decided on a PHEV, but all we had available in 2016, was a Ford Lincoln, and a few others but were way over $80,000CND or only had 1 Electric Motor.

I started looking online and on YouTube when I came across the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV but it was not available in North America till 2017 or 2018. I found a Mitsubishi Dealer and put a down payment on one in July of 2016

I finally received a phone call on Feb 6, 2018 and picked up my 2018 PHEV GT on Feb 18, 2018. Took it on a Lease for 4 years


I loved it, but did have a learning curve. The 12kWh Battery was fine but wished that the Battery was bigger.

Once I learned that a 13.8 kWh Battery was available I went to see my Dealer.

Considered getting the 2021 PHEV but Leasing costs were more expensive so I backed off. Then in Sep 2022 I was contacted with an offer I could not refuse so on Sep 18, 2022 Traded in for a 2022 PHEV 13.8kWh GT for $50 per month less for my Lease

Then in 2023, the 20kWh Model came out but the leasing cost would have been double of what I as paying so I backed off, again.

Finally at the end of March 2024 our Provincial Government decided to give all new EV or PHEV purchasers a $4,000 Rebate.

So..... on April 8, 2024 I traded in my 2022 for a 2024 for a leasing cost of $20 less than what had been paying

This my friend, is my story so regarding wait times, I can categorically state that Jul 2016 to Feb 18, 2018 was the longest wait of my life untill I received my 2018 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV 12kWh GT.

 

[drwho]

I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada.

I was driving a 2004 Nissan Maxima 3.5L and loved the car but due a left Arthritic hip I was finding it more difficult to get in and out of the car so I decided on SUV.

I decided on a PHEV, but all we had available in 2016, was a Ford Lincoln, and a few others but were way over $80,000CND or only had 1 Electric Motor.

I started looking online and on YouTube when I came across the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV but it was not available in North America till 2017 or 2018. I found a Mitsubishi Dealer and put a down payment on one in July of 2016

I finally received a phone call on Feb 6, 2918 and picked it up Feb 18, 2018. Took it on a Lease for 4 years


I loved it, but did have a learning curve. The 12kWh Battery was fine but wished that the Battery was bigger.

Once I learned that a 13.8 kWh Battery was available I went to see my Dealer.

Considered getting the 2021 PHEV but Leasing costs were more expensive so I backed off. Then in Sep 2022 I was contacted with an offer I could not refuse so on Sep 18, 2022 Traded in for a 2022 PHEV 13.8kWh GT for $50 per month less for my Lease

Then in 2023, the 20kWh Model came out but the leasing cost would have been double of what I as paying so I backed off, again.

Finally at the end of March 2024 our Provincial Government decided to give all new EV or PHEV purchasers a $4,000.

So..... on April 8, 2024 I traded in my 2022 for a 2024 for a leasing cost of $20 less than what had been paying

This my friend, is my story so regarding wait times, I can categorically state that Jul 2016 to Feb 18, 2018 was the long wait of my life untill I received my Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV 12kWh GT.

Wow, that is a checkered path to your 2024 Outlander, and the 2 year wait for the first one is, well, dedicated.
We will be moving house soon and I've said all along that he new digs will have a 2 car garage and now with this this cold weather start info, it's imperative.

And BTW, I also have an arthritic left hip (with a little bit in the left, as well).
Dave

 

[SeattleExPat]

Purchased a 2023 SEL Premium (top model in the US) in November '23 right off the lot in Renton, WA (Younker Mitsubishi). They had several PHEVs on the lot. No wait time, as opposed to the RAV 4 Prime (>1 year at the time, and price gouging by dealers).

Actually, it's a lease because of the EV rebate loophole for leased cars in the US. Negotiated the price down to $45,000 with some help by lowering my trade-in and thus got the WA state partial sales tax exemption, which at that time was available for vehicles at $45k max.

Lease is just 24 months and pre-paid and at the end I plan to buy it at the residual price.

 

[Woon Chung]

I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada.

I was driving a 2004 Nissan Maxima 3.5L and loved the car but due a left Arthritic hip I was finding it more difficult to get in and out of the car so I decided on SUV.

I decided on a PHEV, but all we had available in 2016, was a Ford Lincoln, and a few others but were way over $80,000CND or only had 1 Electric Motor.

I started looking online and on YouTube when I came across the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV but it was not available in North America till 2017 or 2018. I found a Mitsubishi Dealer and put a down payment on one in July of 2016

I finally received a phone call on Feb 6, 2018 and picked up my 2018 PHEV GT on Feb 18, 2018. Took it on a Lease for 4 years


I loved it, but did have a learning curve. The 12kWh Battery was fine but wished that the Battery was bigger.

Once I learned that a 13.8 kWh Battery was available I went to see my Dealer.

Considered getting the 2021 PHEV but Leasing costs were more expensive so I backed off. Then in Sep 2022 I was contacted with an offer I could not refuse so on Sep 18, 2022 Traded in for a 2022 PHEV 13.8kWh GT for $50 per month less for my Lease

Then in 2023, the 20kWh Model came out but the leasing cost would have been double of what I as paying so I backed off, again.

Finally at the end of March 2024 our Provincial Government decided to give all new EV or PHEV purchasers a $4,000.

So..... on April 8, 2024 I traded in my 2022 for a 2024 for a leasing cost of $20 less than what had been paying

This my friend, is my story so regarding wait times, I can categorically state that Jul 2016 to Feb 18, 2018 was the long wait of my life untill I received my 2018 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV 12kWh GT.

What a story! So, you are 100% qualified for the difference/improved between old and new. Is there any remarkable change under the tech point of view? I am just curious. You could be a real source to find the difference between each models. I have 2022 on August 2024. No plan to upgrade. I paid US$15,995 and no cars on similar price for newer model yet. I was keep changing Lexus and Toyota, for more than a decade and I don't remember when purchased and when sold. I discard all paper when I sell it. I almost recovered the purchasing price for those cars. Once I have enjoyed the sweetness of used car buy and sell, I used to buy used Lexus and Toyota. Not only for the used car reliable quality but also for the high resell value plus easy sell. It won't last weeks. Trade in value is high too.

This Mitsubishi purchasing happened in a hurry on the way to buy Lexus RX-450H. Mit price was almost half and newer year model. I prefer to get used Lexus rather than New Mitsubishi, if I can afford that much of a money (I am depending on a low Social Benefit monthly without any other incomes). Because newer car has significant devaluation in first 2 years. I am not sure of resell value of this car after 3-4 years.

I did not have correct concept of HEV and PHEV. Looks same to me when I buy this car. Those are modern tech vehicle and I have been familiar with ICE cars for several decades. I strongly believe that modern tech is worth to learn in living in modern society. It is so huge that I cannot be a master of every tech in every field, but I have to learn fundamental tech against what I am using now. It is based on my young days scientific non professional study (as a hobby to fulfill my curiosity). From Bore's Phantom theory, Newton's Law, Relativity theory, Electro-Magnetic wave, Discourse of Method, etc. from the wide range source of the books, like Boy's science magazine (1970's science magazine for teen's), Armature Science Forum in my mother country society. So it is easy to understand the work of Electric Motor and ICE engine efficiency and HEV theory and PHEV theory. They are all successful output of modern science. The most fantastic science is that Electro-Magnetic Wave Maneuvering tech. It says that Human Being became an existence of Light control capability in the Universe, like God. This learning came from Cell Phone Tech Curiosity.

I didn't realized there are so many different functions (good or bad) which has been delivered by bigger battery in HEV. After I got PHEV, I spend over hundreds of hours to learn about Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, what kind of tech applied and how it was applied, and how it works. Including the history of this car too. Also I am learning about battery tech industry, which will be useful if I buy EV car in the future. Knowing modern tech is very interesting for an old man. Learning how to use modern tech product properly will be the result of understanding the tech hidden behind. However, I don't mean that knowing the science behind has no relation to using skillful. Knowing the law will not make anyone a Judge, knowing how to drive will not make everyone being Schumacher. Not knowing Electro-Magnetic Wave theory, you still can use Cell Phone properly.

In these days, I posted what I've learned from the world (I mean Internet), since I found some people gets different knowledge than what I've learned. One of them is very straight to the difference of 2022 and newer model in technical base. I would like to learn from you the real difference between 2022 or older model and 2023 or newer model, in the aspect of the tech applied, if you don't mind. Any comments welcomed.

Good luck to you.

 

[BobK]

In April 2023 I was driving a 2014 Subaru Forester with over 300k on it, so since wait times were a thing since COVID, I decided I had better start looking for a new car . I also felt I needed to start transitioning to electric, but with the limited infrastructure here in Nova Scotia, Canada and the fact that I do a lot of driving into remote areas, only a PHEV made sense. I looked at the RAV 4 first and was told the wait time could be up to 3 years. I also found it a bit small for all the goods we need to transport around. I looked at the Outlander, was impressed by the technology, but found it a bit pricey and fancy for my needs. Was told the wait time would be about a month. Put a down payment on a cheaper Kia Sportage and was told wait times were about 6-8 months. By June, I was starting to have a lot of problems with my Subarau and figured I wasn't going to be able to wait for the Kia, and maybe would have to forgo a PHEV. When the starter gave out and literally as the tow truck was loading my Subaru, the Mitsu dealer called out of the blue and said they had a delivery coming in and would I be interested in one of them. By 5:00 I had bought an SEL Outlander ( which is what I had secretly coveted). Becuse the Outlander was also tight, I had them take out the useless back seat, which allows us to pack another row of bins in - though the floor is uneven. Been very happy since, though more of a learning curve than most cars.

 

[Woon Chung]

In April 2023 I was driving a 2014 Subaru Forester with over 300k on it, so since wait times were a thing since COVID, I decided I had better start looking for a new car . I also felt I needed to start transitioning to electric, but with the limited infrastructure here in Nova Scotia, Canada and the fact that I do a lot of driving into remote areas, only a PHEV made sense. I looked at the RAV 4 first and was told the wait time could be up to 3 years. I also found it a bit small for all the goods we need to transport around. I looked at the Outlander, was impressed by the technology, but found it a bit pricey and fancy for my needs. Was told the wait time would be about a month. Put a down payment on a cheaper Kia Sportage and was told wait times were about 6-8 months. By June, I was starting to have a lot of problems with my Subarau and figured I wasn't going to be able to wait for the Kia, and maybe would have to forgo a PHEV. When the starter gave out and literally as the tow truck was loading my Subaru, the Mitsu dealer called out of the blue and said they had a delivery coming in and would I be interested in one of them. By 5:00 I had bought an SEL Outlander ( which is what I had secretly coveted). Becuse the Outlander was also tight, I had them take out the useless back seat, which allows us to pack another row of bins in - though the floor is uneven. Been very happy since, though more of a learning curve than most cars.

Most probably, you're not familiar to PHEV in general. Though, it is very similar in maintaining to regular ICE car. However, understanding Hybrid + big battery isn't that simple as ICE car technology. It's involved with enormous science of electric and electronics. I believe that you know the difference between two different worlds of electrics and electronics.

This car is controlled by computer software to maximize the efficiency of complicated electric modules and devices. Even A/C and heater is controlled by computer to prevent any electrical congestion. Thus, it does not function as you wish. Also, 2 power sources, Engine and motor, are precisely controlled by computer. If you neglect basic Hybrid + Big battery algorithm, you are losing the chance of benefit what you paid for.

It is also true that you can enjoy the car 100% without any additional knowledge of the car, if you refer User Manual each time you need help, and ask AndyInOz a question, who is in this forum with verity experiences. Actually, I found some out of point answer here, too. You can find explanation what to do, but sometimes leans too much to individual experience where professional knowledge should be supported. I am not a good advisor for general maintenance issues, but good at algorithm of complicated cross actions of Hybrid + Big battery.

Good luck to you.

 

[PHEV07]

What a story! So, you are 100% qualified for the difference/improved between old and new. Is there any remarkable change under the tech point of view? I am just curious. You could be a real source to find the difference between each models. I have 2022 on August 2024. No plan to upgrade. I paid US$15,995 and no cars on similar price for newer model yet. I was keep changing Lexus and Toyota, for more than a decade and I don't remember when purchased and when sold. I discard all paper when I sell it. I almost recovered the purchasing price for those cars. Once I have enjoyed the sweetness of used car buy and sell, I used to buy used Lexus and Toyota. Not only for the used car reliable quality but also for the high resell value plus easy sell. It won't last weeks. Trade in value is high too.

This Mitsubishi purchasing happened in a hurry on the way to buy Lexus RX-450H. Mit price was almost half and newer year model. I prefer to get used Lexus rather than New Mitsubishi, if I can afford that much of a money (I am depending on a low Social Benefit monthly without any other incomes). Because newer car has significant devaluation in first 2 years. I am not sure of resell value of this car after 3-4 years.

I did not have correct concept of HEV and PHEV. Looks same to me when I buy this car. Those are modern tech vehicle and I have been familiar with ICE cars for several decades. I strongly believe that modern tech is worth to learn in living in modern society. It is so huge that I cannot be a master of every tech in every field, but I have to learn fundamental tech against what I am using now. It is based on my young days scientific non professional study (as a hobby to fulfill my curiosity). From Bore's Phantom theory, Newton's Law, Relativity theory, Electro-Magnetic wave, Discourse of Method, etc. from the wide range source of the books, like Boy's science magazine (1970's science magazine for teen's), Armature Science Forum in my mother country society. So it is easy to understand the work of Electric Motor and ICE engine efficiency and HEV theory and PHEV theory. They are all successful output of modern science. The most fantastic science is that Electro-Magnetic Wave Maneuvering tech. It says that Human Being became an existence of Light control capability in the Universe, like God. This learning came from Cell Phone Tech Curiosity.

I didn't realized there are so many different functions (good or bad) which has been delivered by bigger battery in HEV. After I got PHEV, I spend over hundreds of hours to learn about Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, what kind of tech applied and how it was applied, and how it works. Including the history of this car too. Also I am learning about battery tech industry, which will be useful if I buy EV car in the future. Knowing modern tech is very interesting for an old man. Learning how to use modern tech product properly will be the result of understanding the tech hidden behind. However, I don't mean that knowing the science behind has no relation to using skillful. Knowing the law will not make anyone a Judge, knowing how to drive will not make everyone being Schumacher. Not knowing Electro-Magnetic Wave theory, you still can use Cell Phone properly.

In these days, I posted what I've learned from the world (I mean Internet), since I found some people gets different knowledge than what I've learned. One of them is very straight to the difference of 2022 and newer model in technical base. I would like to learn from you the real difference between 2022 or older model and 2023 or newer model, in the aspect of the tech applied, if you don't mind. Any comments welcomed.

Good luck to you.

Sorry but my expertise is more on driving experience.

I did love my 2018 because I had more control on being able to Drive in EV Mode but because it only had a 12kWh Battery I was not getting much range in the Winter time. ReGen B0 to B5 worked very well without the ICE kicking in.

The 2022 reGen B0 to B5 worked the same way.

Both the 2018 and 2022 had a Main Battery Heater so I was never stranded even at Temps nearing -40'C. I could remote heat the interior and was able to leave the car unplugged, with a full charge for 30 days, parked outside while I vacationed in Mexico even though the temps dropped to below -30'C, I was always able to start the car when I returned. The Battery level would drop to 75% as it had automatically used the Battery Heater to keep Battery from getting too cold.

Only issue I found with the 2022 was that the ICE kicked in everytime I started in cold weather, it would shut off after 5 minutes or so and I had to be careful not to Crank up the Heat over 19'C untill the car started to warm up then I could increase to 22 or 23 without the ICE kicking in.

For similar Kms driven in the year the 2022 use up to 3x the amount of fuel as I did on the 2018 because I could not get the 2022 to Remain in EV Mode without the ICE kicking in.

Then Switched to my current 2024 and in all ways I find it superior except for the lack Battery Heater or Resitive heating to take over when the Heat Pump is no longer able to operate when Temps reach lower than-15'C. This I believe is the worst thing that Mitsubishi could have done and I hope the the Law Suit against Misubishi is successful.

New Features that the 2024 models have, that the 2022 and prior do not have.

1) Adaptive Braking - 1 pedal driving
2) Heat Pump
3) Front Windshield Wiper parking heater
4) Heads up display
5) Rear Section Adjustible Heat/Cool
6) Auto Tail Gate motion opening.

Most of these are great features but a few are not, such as:

1) The Adaptive Braking I will never use because it causes the Braking to activate the Brake Pads and find it very jerky to drive with. Not very efficient, so I do not use it at all

2) Regen B0 to B2 work the same as previous years but the B3 to B5 does not because when the Battery Level is higher than 55% the ICE kicks in and remains running untill car is restarted

Supposedly it starts the engine then uses the starter portion of the motor to spin the engine to dissipate regen energy when the battery is full, but with all the tests I have done the Car does not slow down at all when Regen is placed in B3 to B5 and the ICE is Spinning.

I truely believe that it is a Software glitch because the 2022 or earlier models do not cause the ICE to start when B3 to B5 is used and when there is no room in the Battery for the Regen to charge further. So the ICE starts needlessly and it is not just spinning because if I accelerate, the ICE does Rev up and Power portion of the Meter shows Power levels.

Overall I love the 2024 now that I am using the correct sequence to Force Start in EV Mode only and I can use the heater without the ICE starting up.

But the real testing will be starting as soon as we get -15'C or lower temps.

I may start a new Thread on this topic when the time comes

 

[Woon Chung]

Sorry but my expertise is more on driving experience.

I did love my 2018 because I had more control on being able to Drive in EV Mode but because it only had a 12kWh Battery I was not getting much range in the Winter time. ReGen B0 to B5 worked very well without the ICE kicking in.

The 2022 reGen B0 to B5 worked the same way.

Both the 2018 and 2022 had a Main Battery Heater so I was never stranded even at Temps nearing -40'C. I could remote heat the interior and was able to leave either car unplugged, with a full charge for 30 days, parked outside while I vacationed in Mexico even though the temps dropped to below -30'C, I was always able to start the care when I returned. The Battefy level would be at 75% as it did, automatically use the Baytery Heater to keep Battery from getting too cold.

Only issue I found with the 2022 is tgat the ICE kicked in everytime I started in cold weather, it would shut off after 5 minutes or so and I had to be careful not to Crack up the Heat over 19'C untill the car started to warm up then I could increase to 23 or 23 without the ICE kicking in.

For similar Kms driven in the year I used 3x the amount of fuel as I did on the 2018 because I could not get tge 2022 to Remain in EV Mode without the ICE kicking in.

Then Switched to my current 2024 and in all ways I find it superior except for the lack Battery Heater or Resitive heating to take over when the Heat Pump is no longer able to operate when Temps reach lower than-15'C. This I believe is the worst thing tgat Mitsubishi could and I hope the the Law Suit against Misubishi is successful.

Back Features that 2024 models have tge thd 2022 and prior do not have.

1) Adaptive Bracking - 1 pedal driving
2) Heat Pump
3) Front Windshield Wiper parking heater
4) Heads up display
5) Rear Section Adjustible Heat/Cool
6) Auto Tail Gate motion opening.

Most of these are are great features but a few are not, such as

1) The Adaptive Braking I will never use because it causes the Braking to active the Brake Pads and find it very jerky to drive with. Not very efficient, so I do not use it at all

2) Regen B0 to B2 work the same as previous years but the B3 to B5 does not because the Battery Level is higher than 55% the ICE kicks in and remains running untill car is restarted

Supposedly it starts the engine then uses the starter motor to spin the engine to dissipate regen energy when the battery is full, but with all the tests I have done the Car does not slow down at all when Regen is placed in B3 to B5 and the ICE is Spinning.

I truely believe that is is a Software glitch because the 2022 or earlier models do not cause the ICE to start when there is no room in the Battery for the Regen to charge further. So the ICE starts needlessly and it is not just spinning because if I accelerate the ICE does Rev up.

Overall I love the 2024 now that I am using the correct sequence to Force Start in EV Mode only and I can use the heater without the ICE starting up.

But the real testing will be starting as soon as we get -15'C or lower temps.

I may start a new Thread on this topic when the time comes

Great again and read a few times more to understand as much as to meet your thoughts. English is not my native language.

I have nothing to say on this post, because I don't know much about details of charging algorithm. Maybe they tried to borrow the Adaptive braking concept from other EV, but looks not good enough.

The point is that you don't want needles ICE kicking when battery has enough level of energy. My 2 months driving cannot make any data related regen yet. But in some posting, by named Hasenphever, says, When the battery is full generator drives engine. Also, I found that if you turn on AC while B mode, it returns to D by itself. Too much complicated.

I am curious on regen charging algorithm, too.

If I find something, I will post it

 

[BruceHF]

BobK,
Did you get a rebate for having the last back row taken out. I would love the latest model but dont want/need the 3rd row only 2 of us or at the most 5 for a few minutes .
What sort of mileage are you getting now in summer?

 

[tb352]

Hi everyone! Let us talk about how long it takes to receive your Outlander. Tell us where you live, when you ordered it, variant, and when you got it or when they told you it would be ready.

I live in the Chicago area in USA and back in April 2024 there were aging 2023 models still in many dealers as 2024 models were arriving so I was able to work several dealers to get a reduced price on a 2023 SE with the upgraded Tech Package ( panoramic roof, 12 inch digital display, Bose Stereo and more.) It stickered at $47,430 and I got a $3000 dealer discount, $3,500 in Mitsubishi rebates and I got $6,500 in a Federal tax rebate from the leasing company by utilizing that same leasing loophole that SeattleExPat referred to in his post. I leased mine for 4 years in the hope that this will allow enough time for the charging infrastructure build-out to catchup before I commit to full EV on my next car. That also covers me fully under the Mitsubishi warranty. My net price before taxes and fees was $34,230 resulting in a monthly payment of $539 with a residual value of $20,086, which I might or might not buy depending on value and condition at end of lease. Also depending on how I feel about full EV possibilities at that future time. I leased in April of 2024. Checking around now, October 2024, I think my timing was great because a search of local dealers turns up no inventory on 23 or 24 models. and just a few 2025 models in transit on PHEV's.
Most importantly, I love the car.

 

[BobK]

BobK,
Did you get a rebate for having the last back row taken out. I would love the latest model but dont want/need the 3rd row only 2 of us or at the most 5 for a few minutes .
What sort of mileage are you getting now in summer?

The dealer removed the seat for me no charge and I put it in storage in case I want to reinstall it to sell the car in the future. My gas mileage is not typical since I often travel into the city and back all electric (summer only) or do long highway trips often pulling a trailer. Worst case with a loaded trailer in hilly terrain is about 12.5 l/100km.

 

[yardbird]

Back in 2018, when the PHEV first arrived in USA, I bought it because it was the ONLY PHEV SUV in America. However Mitsubishi just wasn't a popular car as Toyota , Honda or Nissan in USA so I did a deal for 10% off sticker price plus the regular $6,750 tax credit from the FED at that time. My 2018 PHEV GT was $38,158 out of $42,480 MSRT sticker price, plus 9.5% CA sale taxes.