Retrofit of 1500W AC inverter possible?

[Phevy]

What the Outlander is good in?

For me in 2018 it was the only car that could do short trips fully electric. Do long trips without charging stops, had all wheel drive for Canadian climate and was able to pull my camper!
Today we have more choices and a Rav4 Prime could be an option, if only you could buy one! There is a huge waiting list in Canada.
So would I buy one again today? I'm not sure. I use fuelly.com to compare real world energy efficiency. And it seems that my premium in purchase price is still not recovered after 6 years, compared to an ISE Outlander. So, what has made it worth it for me, is that the electric drive is comfortable and quiet. I had electricity at a campsite that was non-electric. So far it has been extremely reliable. And charging at home means, I always have 25 km of driving range on cheap overnight electricity.

As for backup power. V2H is too expensive for the average home owner. I also did not opt for the build in converter at the time, because 1500 W would not be enough for the house. (So Woon, in my mind you did not miss out there.)

For a home backup generator I would consider LPG, as that fuel is better to store than petrol/gas. I remember the days of peak-oil and that we would be running out. We have these days more oil and gas, than we can burn, so I'm not too worried about the supply. I'm curious what you had back first gas or electricity in case of a major black-out/disaster?

Just my 2c.

 

[Woon Chung]

What the Outlander is good in?

For me in 2018 it was the only car that could do short trips fully electric. Do long trips without charging stops, had all wheel drive for Canadian climate and was able to pull my camper!
Today we have more choices and a Rav4 Prime could be an option, if only you could buy one! There is a huge waiting list in Canada.
So would I buy one again today? I'm not sure. I use fuelly.com to compare real world energy efficiency. And it seems that my premium in purchase price is still not recovered after 6 years, compared to an ISE Outlander. So, what has made it worth it for me, is that the electric drive is comfortable and quiet. I had electricity at a campsite that was non-electric. So far it has been extremely reliable. And charging at home means, I always have 25 km of driving range on cheap overnight electricity.

As for backup power. V2H is too expensive for the average home owner. I also did not opt for the build in converter at the time, because 1500 W would not be enough for the house. (So Woon, in my mind you did not miss out there.)

For a home backup generator I would consider LPG, as that fuel is better to store than petrol/gas. I remember the days of peak-oil and that we would be running out. We have these days more oil and gas, than we can burn, so I'm not too worried about the supply. I'm curious what you had back first gas or electricity in case of a major black-out/disaster?

Just my 2c.

I think you have similar dilemma as almost car buyer has. Less than a decade ago, it was easy to choose a car because our needs for the car is mean transportation. So, less expensive, more gas mileage, more essay to repair, less maintenance cost, more luxury, ETC. Now a days, including all those choices, we have more complicated options of ICE only, Hybrid, Plug-In Hybrid, Pure EV. In addition to that, how to charge is added condition.

Before EV, most of the people has enough knowledge to figure out which is good and which is bad about the car selection. But in these days, we know nothing about the cars how to figure out them.

After I experienced the disaster of blackout, I bought Petrol Generator for emergency. Still it matters the capacity of Generator. Also petrol supply, while town has transportation issue, became another issue. So I was thinking about LPG Generator but too expensive, too. I was in the long way of maze of Power Backup but still cannot get out of it, not because of equipment but because of money.

When we think of Power Back Up because of Grid Electric failure, it usually a few hours to a few days maximum. If it last longer than a few days, it is serious National disaster. We have no way to escape from it successfully with personal effort. I started from this point of view.

Only for a power back up for camping and short period of power out at home, any kind of car have mobile power capability.
ICE - Connect inverter to the 12v battery and run the engine all the time. - Possible but ...... low wattage and emission
Hybrid - connect inverter to the 12v battery in ready mode. ICE will turn on and off automatically. - Possible. Lots of Prius Hybrid owner tried for camping. But they think it is not enough for house.
PHEV - Connect inverter to 12V battery and more capacity than Hybrid alone. - Some successfully up to 2500W
Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV GT model in US - 120v AC 1500w outlet installed. It is great but option cost $6k
EV - Connect inverter to 12v battery and battery can supply enough power to house use for survive. Up to 6000w. For several days to week or more.
New EV - connect bidirectional J1772 adapter ($99) and draw ac power directly from Traction Battery. Ioniq 5, 6, Kia EV6 EV9 Niro EV Also F150 EV(I do not have detail info).

When we think about Electric motor, the more important factor is the Battey. And some of Chinese battery had serious flaw of safety. Even Benz have battery failure on the street caused fire, because they use some cheap Chinese Battery. Unfortunately, EV car manufacturer do not provide the battery information. They keep it secretly because they are ready to avoid responsibility for installing cheap battery. It added up the headache when selecting EV cars. Korean battery is the best for the time being. Next is CATL But China has hundreds of under quality battery manufacturer. Benz used 10th grade Chinese manufacturer's battery and had fire during parking... Tesla battery is good too. But when it comes to recycling, it is not useable.

I am in the middle of searching EV and Battery market. When more information obtained, I will let you know.

I owned Outlander PHEV for a month only. Thus, I have to use this car at least 5 years, if there is no serious failure.

If your current car has more life, I will recommend you not to hurry to replace it. Since the EV world is changing so quick, who knows when the time comes that Rav4 is beaten by other model. It could be before when the delivery of Rev4 prime in your driveway.

Buying another Outlander PHEV means to me that you are staying at the time of 2015. Nothing is advanced except a little bit bigger battery. Korean EV cars run 3.5 miles per 1Kwh. while outlander runs 2.2 mile per 1 Kwh. The dash board and infotainment display is way beyond modern tech. All options are quite different. Korean battery holds up to 50% more power in same volume of the battery then 3 years ago. New battery cells come out soon. Then all current data sheet will be past history.

Toyota's policy failed. They do have only one EV car, bZ4X, not compatible in the market since they believe Hybrid is the best solution. It is old fashion. Because of this policy, Toyota does not have battery factory. This means they have to pay expensive battery cost to China.

I will keep looking for EV industry because my next car will be an EV. It is fun to me searching, since I have 4 computer monitors.

 

[phevnz21]

I think you have similar dilemma as almost car buyer has. Less than a decade ago, it was easy to choose a car because our needs for the car is mean transportation. So, less expensive, more gas mileage, more essay to repair, less maintenance cost, more luxury, ETC. Now a days, including all those choices, we have more complicated options of ICE only, Hybrid, Plug-In Hybrid, Pure EV. In addition to that, how to charge is added condition.

Before EV, most of the people has enough knowledge to figure out which is good and which is bad about the car selection. But in these days, we know nothing about the cars how to figure out them.

After I experienced the disaster of blackout, I bought Petrol Generator for emergency. Still it matters the capacity of Generator. Also petrol supply, while town has transportation issue, became another issue. So I was thinking about LPG Generator but too expensive, too. I was in the long way of maze of Power Backup but still cannot get out of it, not because of equipment but because of money.

When we think of Power Back Up because of Grid Electric failure, it usually a few hours to a few days maximum. If it last longer than a few days, it is serious National disaster. We have no way to escape from it successfully with personal effort. I started from this point of view.

Only for a power back up for camping and short period of power out at home, any kind of car have mobile power capability.
ICE - Connect inverter to the 12v battery and run the engine all the time. - Possible but ...... low wattage and emission
Hybrid - connect inverter to the 12v battery in ready mode. ICE will turn on and off automatically. - Possible. Lots of Prius Hybrid owner tried for camping. But they think it is not enough for house.
PHEV - Connect inverter to 12V battery and more capacity than Hybrid alone. - Some successfully up to 2500W
Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV GT model in US - 120v AC 1500w outlet installed. It is great but option cost $6k
EV - Connect inverter to 12v battery and battery can supply enough power to house use for survive. Up to 6000w. For several days to week or more.
New EV - connect bidirectional J1772 adapter ($99) and draw ac power directly from Traction Battery. Ioniq 5, 6, Kia EV6 EV9 Niro EV Also F150 EV(I do not have detail info).

When we think about Electric motor, the more important factor is the Battey. And some of Chinese battery had serious flaw of safety. Even Benz have battery failure on the street caused fire, because they use some cheap Chinese Battery. Unfortunately, EV car manufacturer do not provide the battery information. They keep it secretly because they are ready to avoid responsibility for installing cheap battery. It added up the headache when selecting EV cars. Korean battery is the best for the time being. Next is CATL But China has hundreds of under quality battery manufacturer. Benz used 10th grade Chinese manufacturer's battery and had fire during parking... Tesla battery is good too. But when it comes to recycling, it is not useable.

I am in the middle of searching EV and Battery market. When more information obtained, I will let you know.

I owned Outlander PHEV for a month only. Thus, I have to use this car at least 5 years, if there is no serious failure.

If your current car has more life, I will recommend you not to hurry to replace it. Since the EV world is changing so quick, who knows when the time comes that Rav4 is beaten by other model. It could be before when the delivery of Rev4 prime in your driveway.

Buying another Outlander PHEV means to me that you are staying at the time of 2015. Nothing is advanced except a little bit bigger battery. Korean EV cars run 3.5 miles per 1Kwh. while outlander runs 2.2 mile per 1 Kwh. The dash board and infotainment display is way beyond modern tech. All options are quite different. Korean battery holds up to 50% more power in same volume of the battery then 3 years ago. New battery cells come out soon. Then all current data sheet will be past history.

Toyota's policy failed. They do have only one EV car, bZ4X, not compatible in the market since they believe Hybrid is the best solution. It is old fashion. Because of this policy, Toyota does not have battery factory. This means they have to pay expensive battery cost to China.

I will keep looking for EV industry because my next car will be an EV. It is fun to me searching, since I have 4 computer monitors.

Thank you for that very informative survey of the EV and battery scene. I will look forward to your future reports and conclusions.

 

[littlescrote]

I think you have similar dilemma as almost car buyer has. Less than a decade ago, it was easy to choose a car because our needs for the car is mean transportation. So, less expensive, more gas mileage, more essay to repair, less maintenance cost, more luxury, ETC. Now a days, including all those choices, we have more complicated options of ICE only, Hybrid, Plug-In Hybrid, Pure EV. In addition to that, how to charge is added condition.

Before EV, most of the people has enough knowledge to figure out which is good and which is bad about the car selection. But in these days, we know nothing about the cars how to figure out them.

After I experienced the disaster of blackout, I bought Petrol Generator for emergency. Still it matters the capacity of Generator. Also petrol supply, while town has transportation issue, became another issue. So I was thinking about LPG Generator but too expensive, too. I was in the long way of maze of Power Backup but still cannot get out of it, not because of equipment but because of money.

When we think of Power Back Up because of Grid Electric failure, it usually a few hours to a few days maximum. If it last longer than a few days, it is serious National disaster. We have no way to escape from it successfully with personal effort. I started from this point of view.

Only for a power back up for camping and short period of power out at home, any kind of car have mobile power capability.
ICE - Connect inverter to the 12v battery and run the engine all the time. - Possible but ...... low wattage and emission
Hybrid - connect inverter to the 12v battery in ready mode. ICE will turn on and off automatically. - Possible. Lots of Prius Hybrid owner tried for camping. But they think it is not enough for house.
PHEV - Connect inverter to 12V battery and more capacity than Hybrid alone. - Some successfully up to 2500W
Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV GT model in US - 120v AC 1500w outlet installed. It is great but option cost $6k
EV - Connect inverter to 12v battery and battery can supply enough power to house use for survive. Up to 6000w. For several days to week or more.
New EV - connect bidirectional J1772 adapter ($99) and draw ac power directly from Traction Battery. Ioniq 5, 6, Kia EV6 EV9 Niro EV Also F150 EV(I do not have detail info).

When we think about Electric motor, the more important factor is the Battey. And some of Chinese battery had serious flaw of safety. Even Benz have battery failure on the street caused fire, because they use some cheap Chinese Battery. Unfortunately, EV car manufacturer do not provide the battery information. They keep it secretly because they are ready to avoid responsibility for installing cheap battery. It added up the headache when selecting EV cars. Korean battery is the best for the time being. Next is CATL But China has hundreds of under quality battery manufacturer. Benz used 10th grade Chinese manufacturer's battery and had fire during parking... Tesla battery is good too. But when it comes to recycling, it is not useable.

I am in the middle of searching EV and Battery market. When more information obtained, I will let you know.

I owned Outlander PHEV for a month only. Thus, I have to use this car at least 5 years, if there is no serious failure.

If your current car has more life, I will recommend you not to hurry to replace it. Since the EV world is changing so quick, who knows when the time comes that Rav4 is beaten by other model. It could be before when the delivery of Rev4 prime in your driveway.

Buying another Outlander PHEV means to me that you are staying at the time of 2015. Nothing is advanced except a little bit bigger battery. Korean EV cars run 3.5 miles per 1Kwh. while outlander runs 2.2 mile per 1 Kwh. The dash board and infotainment display is way beyond modern tech. All options are quite different. Korean battery holds up to 50% more power in same volume of the battery then 3 years ago. New battery cells come out soon. Then all current data sheet will be past history.

Toyota's policy failed. They do have only one EV car, bZ4X, not compatible in the market since they believe Hybrid is the best solution. It is old fashion. Because of this policy, Toyota does not have battery factory. This means they have to pay expensive battery cost to China.

I will keep looking for EV industry because my next car will be an EV. It is fun to me searching, since I have 4 computer monitors.

There would be no difference in power capability of an inverter that you connect to a 12V system, whether 'self charging' or Plug In hybrid. It depends on the specification of the DC/DC converter only.

But you'd be stupid to connect a high power inverter to the 12V side of a PHEV when you have a 500V DC battery available that makes high power easy (lower current, thinner cables).

 

[Woon Chung]

There would be no difference in power capability of an inverter that you connect to a 12V system, whether 'self charging' or Plug In hybrid. It depends on the specification of the DC/DC converter only.

But you'd be stupid to connect a high power inverter to the 12V side of a PHEV when you have a 500V DC battery available that makes high power easy (lower current, thinner cables).

I understand you added sub index on my main index.

If I go to sub index, inverter and its accessories such as cable capacity, braker capacity, connector capacity should be calculated relatively.

Also, I am suspicious about maximum output from the DC-DC converter to Inverter. Disregarding DC-DC converter's maximum output capacity to 12v DC, there should be a limit to a certain circuit by setting up fuse inside converter. If I am a designer of DC-DC converter, I would not connect all 12v system to DC-DC converter's 12v output port at once. That is not safe at all. So, there must be a group of 12v system and each group has maximum current to flow. It is safe to control than all 12v devices connected to one post without intermittent braker. Just like Home electricity Distribution Panel. There is main braker on the top with maximum amperage and tens of smaller, and different capacity brakers to each rooms or each appliances.

My 2022 battery is 13.8kwh, 300v DC. DC-DC converter has 12v DC output, There is a 12 V jumper cable terminal as in the illustration, marked as A.

DC-DC converter has many 12 V output leads connected to fuse terminals, but A terminal is specially open to the use of outside of the car. It looks to handle high Amperage, but not mentioned about how much Amperage can be used for this terminal. (If somebody knows max output from this terminal, please let me know) However, there are 2 hidden stories to guess. One is that Mitsubishi designed external 3000W DC-AC inverter by themselves to use 100V AC for emergency power source. It is connected to CHAdeMO plug. And there are another CHAdeMO cable for Home Power Supply system. The Australian Guys showed in their You Tube. This is also 3000w. Because the internal DC-AC inverter has capacity of 3000w, DC-DC converter's internal circuit must be design for providing enough Amperage to jump terminal under same background.

When they provide 120V AC outlet inside car, they limited to 1500W, considering maximum use of Battery system, but not limited inside circuit board. So when we connected 2500w to 12V battery terminal, it will be in the range of 3000w maximum - which Mitsubishi engineer hoped to feel safe. If it goes more than 3000W, I have no clue what will happen inside circuit. in the DC-DC controller, there must be a braker. I don't know what happens when the braker activated when it sensed high Amperage in circuit. It may limit to safe Amperage and let connected device controls within the limited Amperage, or, shut down temporarily and reset by itself after a certain period of curing time, or, totally close the circuit forever for no further use, before circuit break down or failure. All depends on the Mitsubishi Engineers.

I had more chances to see You Tube regarding DC-AC pure sine inverter on Prius than Outlander. But they used to stay under 1500W. One of Outlander PHEV successfully connected 2500w and tested as total use of 2100w appliances.

I am not stupid not to know the meaning of V=IR, P=IV, AWG. Also I know EV DC battery is perfectly controlled by BMS and DC-DC controls 12v system in the car. I do not know the exact data sheet how they are working but not stupid to touch the bold hand onto the 12v output terminal.

 

[Haenzel]

I understand you added sub index on my main index.

If I go to sub index, inverter and its accessories such as cable capacity, braker capacity, connector capacity should be calculated relatively.

Also, I am suspicious about maximum output from the DC-DC converter to Inverter. Disregarding DC-DC converter's maximum output capacity to 12v DC, there should be a limit to a certain circuit by setting up fuse inside converter. If I am a designer of DC-DC converter, I would not connect all 12v system to DC-DC converter's 12v output port at once. That is not safe at all. So, there must be a group of 12v system and each group has maximum current to flow. It is safe to control than all 12v devices connected to one post without intermittent braker. Just like Home electricity Distribution Panel. There is main braker on the top with maximum amperage and tens of smaller, and different capacity brakers to each rooms or each appliances.

My 2022 battery is 13.8kwh, 300v DC. DC-DC converter has 12v DC output, There is a 12 V jumper cable terminal as in the illustration, marked as A.
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DC-DC converter has many 12 V output leads connected to fuse terminals, but A terminal is specially open to the use of outside of the car. It looks to handle high Amperage, but not mentioned about how much Amperage can be used for this terminal. (If somebody knows max output from this terminal, please let me know) However, there are 2 hidden stories to guess. One is that Mitsubishi designed external 3000W DC-AC inverter by themselves to use 100V AC for emergency power source. It is connected to CHAdeMO plug. And there are another CHAdeMO cable for Home Power Supply system. The Australian Guys showed in their You Tube. This is also 3000w. Because the internal DC-AC inverter has capacity of 3000w, DC-DC converter's internal circuit must be design for providing enough Amperage to jump terminal under same background.

When they provide 120V AC outlet inside car, they limited to 1500W, considering maximum use of Battery system, but not limited inside circuit board. So when we connected 2500w to 12V battery terminal, it will be in the range of 3000w maximum - which Mitsubishi engineer hoped to feel safe. If it goes more than 3000W, I have no clue what will happen inside circuit. in the DC-DC controller, there must be a braker. I don't know what happens when the braker activated when it sensed high Amperage in circuit. It may limit to safe Amperage and let connected device controls within the limited Amperage, or, shut down temporarily and reset by itself after a certain period of curing time, or, totally close the circuit forever for no further use, before circuit break down or failure. All depends on the Mitsubishi Engineers.

I had more chances to see You Tube regarding DC-AC pure sine inverter on Prius than Outlander. But they used to stay under 1500W. One of Outlander PHEV successfully connected 2500w and tested as total use of 2100w appliances.

I am not stupid not to know the meaning of V=IR, P=IV, AWG. Also I know EV DC battery is perfectly controlled by BMS and DC-DC controls 12v system in the car. I do not know the exact data sheet how they are working but not stupid to touch the bold hand onto the 12v output terminal.

I'm also looking at installing an after-market inverter. I noticed after having entirely removed the red cap on the auxiliary battery there are 2 fuses rated each 175A connected to the plus side of the battery. That 's probably meant for feeding (original) inverter. There might be a catch though. I don't think a partly empty battery would be happy with a charge of say 300A when the inverter is started? Any thoughts?

 

[Woon Chung]

I'm also looking at installing an after-market inverter. I noticed after having entirely removed the red cap on the auxiliary battery there are 2 fuses rated each 175A connected to the plus side of the battery. That 's probably meant for feeding (original) inverter. There might be a catch though. I don't think a partly empty battery would be happy with a charge of say 300A when the inverter is started? Any thoughts?

It might be wrong but if I have to say something about this question, I will tell you as much as I know as non professional.

Aux battery is not main supplier for 12 V system in the car. It's roll is to initiate main computer and small other accessories, when Drive battery is not active. So, when the main battery is not in active status, aux battery will be drain quickly. This theory is exactly same as ICE car. If the engine is not running and run 12 v system under Key position is in ACC, the battery will be drained in a short time.

If the Aux is partly empty, and the car is in Ready Mode, DC DC converter will charge Aux battery automatically. Thus, it has no affect to the inverter or battery. It is very important that the car should be in Ready mode to charge Aux battery. If main battery becomes low, ICE will be kicked on and generator will charge main battery.

I have no idea about circuit between DC 300V main battery - DC DC converter - Battery Control Unit - 12V internal system - 12 V Aux battery, but clear thing is that DC DC converter makes voltage down to 12 V DC and it supplies all 12 V system. So, when you connect Inverter to 12 V Aux battery, it has no relation with 12 V Aux battery only when the main computer is on - which means the car is in READY mode.

I have no idea of the actual use of 2 175 A. The fuse basic roll is to prevent excess flow of "A" to "B" point. If it is connected to positive lead, it prevent excess use of battery for 12 V car system in case the car is not in ready mode. Please do not think of external inverter to use without Ready Mode. 2000w will drain Aux battery in a minute without main battery. Do not add any concept to 2 175 a fuse having any relation with the inverter to be connected.

Disregarding those fuses, you may need fuses for inverter too for safety purpose. There are no details of manual for external inverter installing on Outlander PHEV( there are hundreds of media instructions for other cars), I would like to follow the guy who actually installed 2500w inverter in Outlander PHEV for the use of 2200w V2L. His ID is Daniel77. However, I do not know maximum wattage from DC DC converter as of 12 V output. Nobody mentioned on this in this forum.

According to the thread posted by bkelly1984, original 120v 1500w wires are coming directly from Main battery circuit. I am new to PHEV and I have learned many from bkelly1984. My main purpose of joining this forum is to find how to safely install 3000w inverter to Outlander PHEV, but I failed. Not so many people in this forum is interested in V2L and naturally there are almost non articles except above 2 guys. There is one more guy in Australia, mentioning V2H, which costs way over $3k.

The Korean Car has 2 advanced function on their car.

1. They have J1772 port adapter for V2L function(Extra adapter costs $99 in Amazon). The software supports to use main battery for 120V supply by connect J1772 charging port. I will buy Korean Car next time, definitely.
2. They have switch in dashboard to charge 12 V Aux battery directly from main battery when the car is dead. Charging 12 V battery from main battery by pressing the switch and charged Aux battery will work as usual and then initiate car. Worry free from battery drain.
How nice is it!. I should have known this before I buy Outlander.

My car is in Factory Warranty yet. I am concern about warranty, too. So I cannot modify or connect any external equipment. Thus, I will get 2500w inverter at home and if power loss happens in our town, I will connect it without any hesitation. It will take only a couple of minutes. I am sure that will be working at least.

 

[Haenzel]

It might be wrong but if I have to say something about this question, I will tell you as much as I know as non professional.

Aux battery is not main supplier for 12 V system in the car. It's roll is to initiate main computer and small other accessories, when Drive battery is not active. So, when the main battery is not in active status, aux battery will be drain quickly. This theory is exactly same as ICE car. If the engine is not running and run 12 v system under Key position is in ACC, the battery will be drained in a short time.

If the Aux is partly empty, and the car is in Ready Mode, DC DC converter will charge Aux battery automatically. Thus, it has no affect to the inverter or battery. It is very important that the car should be in Ready mode to charge Aux battery. If main battery becomes low, ICE will be kicked on and generator will charge main battery.

I have no idea about circuit between DC 300V main battery - DC DC converter - Battery Control Unit - 12V internal system - 12 V Aux battery, but clear thing is that DC DC converter makes voltage down to 12 V DC and it supplies all 12 V system. So, when you connect Inverter to 12 V Aux battery, it has no relation with 12 V Aux battery only when the main computer is on - which means the car is in READY mode.

I have no idea of the actual use of 2 175 A. The fuse basic roll is to prevent excess flow of "A" to "B" point. If it is connected to positive lead, it prevent excess use of battery for 12 V car system in case the car is not in ready mode. Please do not think of external inverter to use without Ready Mode. 2000w will drain Aux battery in a minute without main battery. Do not add any concept to 2 175 a fuse having any relation with the inverter to be connected.

Disregarding those fuses, you may need fuses for inverter too for safety purpose. There are no details of manual for external inverter installing on Outlander PHEV( there are hundreds of media instructions for other cars), I would like to follow the guy who actually installed 2500w inverter in Outlander PHEV for the use of 2200w V2L. His ID is Daniel77. However, I do not know maximum wattage from DC DC converter as of 12 V output. Nobody mentioned on this in this forum.

According to the thread posted by bkelly1984, original 120v 1500w wires are coming directly from Main battery circuit. I am new to PHEV and I have learned many from bkelly1984. My main purpose of joining this forum is to find how to safely install 3000w inverter to Outlander PHEV, but I failed. Not so many people in this forum is interested in V2L and naturally there are almost non articles except above 2 guys. There is one more guy in Australia, mentioning V2H, which costs way over $3k.

The Korean Car has 2 advanced function on their car.

1. They have J1772 port adapter for V2L function(Extra adapter costs $99 in Amazon). The software supports to use main battery for 120V supply by connect J1772 charging port. I will buy Korean Car next time, definitely.
2. They have switch in dashboard to charge 12 V Aux battery directly from main battery when the car is dead. Charging 12 V battery from main battery by pressing the switch and charged Aux battery will work as usual and then initiate car. Worry free from battery drain.
How nice is it!. I should have known this before I buy Outlander.

My car is in Factory Warranty yet. I am concern about warranty, too. So I cannot modify or connect any external equipment. Thus, I will get 2500w inverter at home and if power loss happens in our town, I will connect it without any hesitation. It will take only a couple of minutes. I am sure that will be working at least.

Thanks for your answer. I'm fully aware of the ready mode necessity and what the aux battery does. Having read the installation instructions of the original inverter I decided not to install an after market inverter..

 

[Woon Chung]

Thanks for your answer. I'm fully aware of the ready mode necessity and what the aux battery does. Having read the installation instructions of the original inverter I decided not to install an after market inverter..

Please forgive me to add unnecessary story on this issue.

Mitsubishi has EV car named I-MiEV in old days. When Japan was struck by Tsumani in 2011, the whole area was in disaster, since Nuclear Power Plant exploded. Mit's EV did a good role for recovering the damaged area without gas supply. That inspired Mit to produce Outlander PHEV, which will be useful when they have disaster again with no Grid Power. I-MiEV CHAdeMO port is useful for quick charge from power available area and then return to damaged area to carry the recover job. From this point of view, they add CHAdeMO port in Outlander PHEV, which is bidirectional and fast charging port, and Also they invented Mit External Inverter 3000W for V2L purpose with CHAdeMO adapter and cable connected. This inverter is used for emergency equipment for Cardiac Electroshock machine or other Health equipment's where Grid power down. It wasn't for sale. Once appeared and disappeared. Instead, they install 120v 1500w outlet inside car, where GT model in US has it, but still leave CHAdeMO port with no use in US. Maybe modifying port design cost more money in production. CHAdeMO port is High Voltage charging system for EV only car. It charges in a short time big EV battery. I-MiEV and Leaf has it. All these are for Japanese disaster. But it is useless for small battery pack in US, such as PHEV battery. So, no other PHEV has such charging port in US. Rather, High Voltage charging system will shorten the lifespan of battery.

This story proves that EV car manufacturers already know that such a big battery can be used for V2L, V2G and V2H, for emergency case. Some Australian pioneer people showed their progress on YouTube for Mit PHEV for V2H. It costs a lot. Hyundai and KIA has advanced already for this convenience without any additional cost. Mit's V2L option costs US$6k.

So far, Solar Power industry advertise their system as backup power plant and they provide a lot of DIY media for sales of battery and control system. This theory will be applied to EV or PHEV without any modification. Even though car manufacturer does not provide technical support for external inverter connection, above 2 examples provide evidence already, Korean car and Outlander CHAdeMO.

When you face the emergency case, or for camping, your car will be transformed to Home Power Supply by just connecting inverter to any point in PHEV.

A point is also 12 V of the system, too, for your reference. It connected to Aux Battery directly and DC DC 12 V system if the car is in Ready Mode. If I am wrong, please correct me.

If you concerns about V2L, just prepare Inverter and fuse and wire connected, and use jump cable in case you need power instantly. $300 max cost. This is my plan until I buy Korean used car.