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[geoffshep69]

I do understand the desire to be efficient and drive on EV wherever possible, but I can’t understand why someone would feel so strongly about that to the extent that they would be happy to sit and drive in the freezing cold.

I totally do understand. I think it separates the people that got the PHEV just for tax purposes from those that also had the environment in mind.

Apart from the environment, the tax brakes are depending on fuel economy. To me, accepting the tax brake means having a moral obligation to optimise the economy. And this is why it is so frustrating when the car does not work with you in your efforts.

I can understand the frustration people may have with the way that the car has been designed, and that a different configuration would enable it be more efficient.

But to me having a debate about how people think the car should have been designed, is a different thing to debating how people use the car that they actually own.

If I was very keen to maximise environmental benefits then I’d be disappointed in the design of the car, but I think I’d just accept that its not as efficient as I’d like it to be and turn on the heater rather than sit in the cold. Even using some (unneccesary) fuel for that purpose I’d still take comfort that I’m driving a far more environmentally friendly car than pretty much anyone else.

If you take it to extremes, for those who are entirely focused on the environment, would you turn off all the heating in your house over winter because its better for the environment, or would you accept that the benefit/comfort of heating your house outweighs the potential damage to the environment ? (and yes, I am sure some people will respond and point out that they use entirely solar power for heating !!)

 

[elm70]

@geoffshep69

I think you are missing the point. An EV prio mode must be so simple to implement so it is just flabbergasting that they did not.

As of sitting in the cold I disagree totally. Me going to the local mall 4km away without preheat the ICE starts but NEVER reaches temp to start heat the car. My car gets heated by electricity on that trip but running the ICE for 5 minutes totally wasting fuel and environment at -15C. Note also that the catalyser does not work as the ICE never reaches operating temperature so all fuel spent is total environment damage. I cannot see how this is a simple "quirk".

OK, so maybe they should have put an EV button in originally, but they didn’t. However, if you have the car, and you know it doesn’t have the button, then my point still stands, I’d rather be comfortable and warm rather than cold but achieve a marginally better economy figure.

I get the point about small journeys, and appreciate that if you are not going far enough to ever warm up the car up properly then it is wasted fuel firing up the ICE. If that’s the situation elm70 was referring to then fair enough, but his comment about “ending his trip in the cold”, and subsequent reply indicating a 25km drive, makes me think that it is a longer journey and it is his choice to be cold, rather than it being a short journey where he would be cold no matter what. I do understand the desire to be efficient and drive on EV wherever possible, but I can’t understand why someone would feel so strongly about that to the extent that they would be happy to sit and drive in the freezing cold.

25km is round trip ... actually is 10km per direction (2+8 since has a stop on the way) + 5km buffer since every day there maybe be some "extra" to be done.

Anyhow ... freezing cold is not an issue ... for 30min trip (10km in massive traffic) ... it would be even uncomfortable to drive in +20 cabin, with the "dress" used for walk outside with -12 ... I remove my jacket only for trip longer then 1h .. and then .. yes .. for this type of trip I expect to drive in a warm cabin

If electric heater would be working also while running the car ... I could proper enjoy the car in proper EV mode without any compromise .. but unfortunately ... car firmware is "a bit odd"

PS: Thinking of vtech box ... with ICEheat stop .. but .. maybe I can hack my own ICEheat stopper ... also I still have to understand how normal AC in summer will work with a ICe stopper that fake to a fix value the temperature in the cabin ... but also for long trip .. this ICEheat stop does not sound to me that allow to use the temperature programming from the air heating and conditioning

 

[elm70]

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If you take it to extremes, for those who are entirely focused on the environment, would you turn off all the heating in your house over winter because its better for the environment, or would you accept that the benefit/comfort of heating your house outweighs the potential damage to the environment ? (and yes, I am sure some people will respond and point out that they use entirely solar power for heating !!)

I know some families that keep their house/apartment just above +10deg in winter :shock:
I don't think is due to environment friendly ... but is for "be cheap as chips"

In my case ... by accident .. I'm sort of "environment" friendly also with my house ... I have electric heating at home .. but I want at least 19/20 deg at home

Since in Poland electricity is done by burning coal .. I guess I'm not really green .. but if I would be still living in Austria .. where 80% electricity come from green sources .. I would be "very green"

Anyhow ... I think the ECO button has been screwed up by Mitsubishi engineers .. they could have already since 2013 a real EV button ...

Maybe in the '17 model the EV button is working perfectly ... not sure if anybody has already a '17 version from this forum and can comment how is working winter time car heating when EV mode is pressed

 

[anko]

If you take it to extremes, for those who are entirely focused on the environment, would you turn off all the heating in your house over winter because its better for the environment, or would you accept that the benefit/comfort of heating your house outweighs the potential damage to the environment ? (and yes, I am sure some people will respond and point out that they use entirely solar power for heating !!)

Well, if one had accepted an equally big tax break for operating the house environmentally freindly ....

 

[geoffshep69]

If you take it to extremes, for those who are entirely focused on the environment, would you turn off all the heating in your house over winter because its better for the environment, or would you accept that the benefit/comfort of heating your house outweighs the potential damage to the environment ? (and yes, I am sure some people will respond and point out that they use entirely solar power for heating !!)

Well, if one had accepted an equally big tax break for operating the house environmentally freindly ....

Hhmm, in my view these ‘tax breaks’ are designed to reduce one’s environmental impact, rather than eliminate it entirely. By having an EV, and running it as efficiently as possible, I’d argue that this has been achieved and unless the ‘tax break’ requires you to commit to zero emmissions then I don’t think that using some fuel in the depth of winter to avoid freezing to death would be seen as breaking any kind of moral obligation.

I presume your moral obligation doesn’t extend to not using your car for journeys of >25/30 miles when clearly you will be required to burn fuel ?

Completely agree we should all be doing as much as we can to reduce emmissions, and to use the car (subject to any complaints about how it has been designed) as efficiently as possible, but in my view that doesn’t mean I have to forego comfort and warmth in winter.

Anyway, I suspect we have done this to death now and apologies for hijacking the original purpose of the thread