Ridiculous feathering of front tyres

[Jim4eco]

Further to the recent posts, the service manager inspected the tyres and has stated they are legal since there is tread more than 80% of the way across. Will send the pictures to Mitsi to see if they think it 'normal' wear.

Thanks for feedback.

 

[Jim4eco]

The real difficulty, taking them to task, is that they simply say you must have hit a pothole and knocked it out of tracking/alignment.....difficult to win with them. :-(

 

[Steel188]

To boost your argument with MMUK, get the laser wheel alignment done now. They will check the Camber, Caster & Toe In angles and give you a before and after written report.

Also, swapping back wheels to the front, once the wheels are pointing in the right direction, is very easy, just ask the tyre specialist to do it for you. Make sure you have first checked the pressures are all the same when the tyres are nice and cold. Our TPMS isn't intelligent enough to realise, but resetting it is as simple as accessing the Settings menu on the dash, while parked and pressing the button for a few seconds before you drive off.

Main dealers are not tyre specialists and visa versa. I would never let a main dealer near my tyres, but I would only let a main dealer service my car, their skill sets are different.

 

[jaapv]

Well, actually my main dealer happens to be a Profile Tyre specialist as wel. :mrgreen:

 

[jaapv]

Further to the recent posts, the service manager inspected the tyres and has stated they are legal since there is tread more than 80% of the way across. Will send the pictures to Mitsi to see if they think it 'normal' wear.

Thanks for feedback.

Persistent buggers, aren’t they? :roll:

 

[NightPHEVer]

When I asked the service dept about swapping the front tyre to the back to extend life, they said they would need to do some kind of resetting/recalibrating so that the monitoring system re recognised the wheel/tyre and there would be a cost for each wheel.

Also bollocks from dealer - the TPMS doesn't know which tyre is which, unlike some cars - as you will find when the low pressure warning comes up, as you have check each tyre with a pressure gauge in turn. Unless, of course, you are "lucky" enough to have a flat! :lol:

I was told by a main dealer that the TPMS valve position could be identified by Mitsubishi's diagnostic laptop, but not by the display in the car. They said this could be useful if there was a fault with any of the TPMS valves (not with a tyre), so the particular faulty valve could be identified. Although quite how anyone could ever be totally sure that the wheels had remained where they were originally positioned on the car, is a bit of a mystery. The TPMS valves are quite sensitive - I got a warning when one of my tyres was down to 34psi.

I've always thought that my Toyo's look a bit worn on the outside edge compared to the centre of the tread (currently 5mm in the centre and 2.5mm on the outside edge). They've done around 18,000 miles now. Of course if you regularly corner really hard 'n' fast then tyres will wear heavily on the outside edge - especially with the weight of a PHEV bearing down on them. I don't corner especially fast though.

If the Camber, Caster & Toe In angles are out does the car always pull to one side or can it steer and track perfectly normally? Despite the slightly uneven wear mine doesn't pull. There is I believe a tendancy for cars to ultimately 'drift' slightly towards the kerbside of the road due to the camber of the road (so rainwater drains towards the gutters) but it should take a fair distance for any 'drift' of this nature to be evident, and the steering shouldn't pull. In the olden days pulling to one side was always an indication that the car had probably been kerbed, never adjusted correctly in the first place or had replacement tyres fitted - maybe a different brand. Although my PHEV doesn't appear to react any differently on Toyo summer tyres compared to winter Pirellli tyres, on different sets of OEM wheels.

 

[BCbackroader]

My dealer (BC, Canada) routinely rotates the wheels/tires front to back every second service, without doing anything with the TPMS. At nearly 60,000 km, my tires still have very even wear, and lots of tread left.

 

[ps44]

Just got my (new to me) 19MY checked. It's 9 months old with 5000 miles. Tracking all basically ok with a minor tweak needed.

 

[mcalvert39]

Hi guys.
Im currently having this discussion on the FB PHEV group.
The wear pattern in those pictures is exactly the same as mine. I have had the dealer swap the wheels to the rear. My next step is to get it on an alignment machine but im doubtful this will remedy the problem. I believe their is too much positive camber on the front but to verify that i need to get it on a machine. I am currently asking if owners of non PHEV outlanders have the same problem to see if its something specific to us.... maybe a weight distribution problem.

 

[ThudnBlundr]

Your post seems to assume it's a generic fault with all Outlanders, though judging by the relatively few posts on here it's certainly not common. And I wonder why you seem to think that getting it properly aligned won't fix it.

Please explain your theories, as most people don't have this problem. And please explain why aligning everything properly won't fix it.

 

[jaapv]

I cannot say that it is a problem on mine - the tyres last about 45.000 km on average without feathering. And I don't rotate front and rear.

 

[AndyInOz]

I've recently replaced a full set of tyres, and the old ones were showing more wear on the outside edges than the centre.

In their opinion this had caused the tyres to wear out early.

The tyre shop advised that I should keep the tyres inflated to 39-40 psi, due to the weight of the car plus batteries.

They explained that the wear pattern was consistent with under-inflated tyres.

I had fitted after market TPMS (dust cap type) and was keeping the tyres at 35 (front) and 38 (rear) as described in the manual.

As part of purchasing the new tyres, I also purchased in-tyre TPMS units, and now have a real-time display of tyre pressure and temperature for all four wheels.

I have not noticed a difference in ride, since inflating the tyres to the higher pressure.

 

[jaapv]

That must be the answer. I keep mine at 38 psi. At 40 the car gets jumpy.

 

[mcalvert39]

No not everyone will encounter this problem. I am trying to see if its a particular model or those with larger wheels, different engine, etc.
Increasing the tyre pressure may help but in my opinion will not fix the problem. Until i get it on an alignment machine and actually see if its out of specification i cannot say for certain what is happening. Although not everyone, quite a few have had this problem (just speaking from other PHEV groups too).
Until its on an alignment machine i am only making assumptions as to what is causing the problem and giving my own opinion.
Looking at my tyres they dont appear to be feathered on the edges which would indicate out of spec toe adjustment. They appear to be worn evenly on the NSF and OSF outer edges. To me this indicates a camber adjustment is needed. I have not looked to see if this is able to be done on the shock / hub. I cannot see an adjustment on the lower arm.

 

[user 8536]

No not everyone will encounter this problem. I am trying to see if its a particular model or those with larger wheels, different engine, etc.
Increasing the tyre pressure may help but in my opinion will not fix the problem. Until i get it on an alignment machine and actually see if its out of specification i cannot say for certain what is happening. Although not everyone, quite a few have had this problem (just speaking from other PHEV groups too).
Until its on an alignment machine i am only making assumptions as to what is causing the problem and giving my own opinion.
Looking at my tyres they dont appear to be feathered on the edges which would indicate out of spec toe adjustment. They appear to be worn evenly on the NSF and OSF outer edges. To me this indicates a camber adjustment is needed. I have not looked to see if this is able to be done on the shock / hub. I cannot see an adjustment on the lower arm.

I'm having the same issue. Abnormal outer edge wear. All within spec. Camber seems the issue but not adjustable in these models. Do I go the route of cam bolts (as used in track cars)?