My spare tyre solution. with photo's.

[SS2115]

My solution to carrying a spare tyre.
I originally liked the swing out solutions that mounted to the tow bar, but then I realised I would lose the camera, the birds eye view and probably the reversing sensors as well. Plus of course it adds length to the vehicle.
Underneath isn't big enough for the diameter even if I moved the muffler which I had considered.

So it came down to exploring the best solution in the load area and I came up with mounting it vertical over to the side.
https://www.myoutlanderphev.com/forum/download/file.php?mode=view&id=809
https://www.myoutlanderphev.com/forum/download/file.php?mode=view&id=810
https://www.myoutlanderphev.com/forum/download/file.php?mode=view&id=811

I welded the frame together and with tyre in place positioned it front/back to allow the back seat to still recline 2 positions. It fixes at the edge of the join to the solid panel immediately behind the rear seats and the hinged section to get to the charger compartment still opens to about 75 - 80 degrees. Plus being fixed to the take-out panel, it can all come out once the tyre is removed to get to jack and everything else.

I will drive for a while and check everything is okay and then remove it and paint it - probably in the POR15 black after the welds and ground areas etch themselves a bit first.

Its also surprising how little rear vision it obstructs. Its only the far left corner and hardly by much. Where the seat belt comes out of the roof is where the edge of the tyre is. I tried to add a photo of the rear view mirror view but despite being under 1mb the attachments won't allow it.

 

[ThudnBlundr]

Looks good.

Our simpler solution was to buy a spacesaver and just leave it flat on the boot floor :lol: The well is a good place to store the charging cables and we can easily pack around and on top of it. We tend to take it out when travelling locally, so a permanent mounting would be wasted...

 

[littlescrote]

Looks good.

Our simpler solution was to buy a spacesaver and just leave it flat on the boot floor

It won't stay flat on the boot floor is you have a crash and it becomes a loose missile that takes your head off. Unlikely, but could happen.

 

[SS2115]

I still need to use the load area for small food forming machines I carry around for demo or picking up for servicing. With the tyre lying down I have no chance unless I fold the seat down and push the tyre onto it.
Then indeed I would be concerned of it flying forward in an accident. (my machines get strapped down with a ratchet strap).
With the tyre now mounted vertically, I still have a space 820mm wide which is plenty for my 500mm and 620mm wide machines to slide in and I have one of those Sales Tables that is like a mini stretcher so it just rolls in nice and easy.

A loose tyre inside the car in an accident is a valid point.
Starting off vertically though, my tyre has to crush the back of the back seat to get through the space between seat back and roof, and being attached by a hefty bolt to the frame which is also partially jammed under a nice recess in the back pillar, it has to drag the entire frame and back floor panel to which it is bolted to up from underneath through a 1.6mm steel plate the same size as the visible top plate with it past the seats.
So yes, I agree with the statement "possible, but unlikely"

But I think not having a spare is a ridiculous situation, and the repair kit is only good for tread punctures like nails and screws. What if you have the misfortune to cut the side wall.
And how long does it all take? Putting a spare on is the same or shorter solution with better confidence and security of continuing your travels and having the damaged tyre fixed later.
And I've heard the argument of 'when did you last get a flat tyre"? Well, living in the developing suburbs where there is always construction going on my wife's car picked up a nail off the road just before Xmas, and I've had at least 4 mails/screws that I can remember going back some 6 - 10 years in my other cars. All would have been very inconvenient and difficult to do anything other than do a 5 minute tyre swap. And we both work so there's no calling the partner to bring a spare tyre from home 2 hours away on the other side of Sydney.

 

[ThudnBlundr]

Just back from another trip abroad, though without the car this time.

We only carry the spacesaver on longer journeys, where it is usually covered by various pieces of unsecured luggage or skis. No one seems to think that they should be tied down.

We've had 2 punctures in the past 18 months. One was repairable and the other needed a new tyre. Luckily both times I was able to pump up the tyre enough to get it to the tyre place. On a previous car we caught the tyre on the edge of a piece of slate while pulling into a passing place in the Lake District. That caused a 5cm (2in) gash in the sidewall that no amount of gunk would ever seal. Thank heavens we had a spare, though getting a new tyre on Easter Saturday was a PITA :roll:

 

[malbut]

Despite driving for over 30 years without ever needing to use the spare in a Mini, 2 Saabs, a Maxi, a Holden, 2 Fords, a Montego, 2 Peugeots, and now an Outlander, the realisation that there's no spare still worries me.

I researched space savers but — because of warnings about mismatched tyres and wheel diameters on the PHEV — I'm not convinced they're a safe solution (prove me wrong and I'll be happy!)

I managed to pick up four identical Outlander wheels, so carry one strapped to the back floor on longer journeys. Not 100% ideal, but gives a sense of security — wish it were thinner and lighter, though.

Another downside is getting compatible TPMS sensors fitted — anyone know why this should be so difficult and expensive in north London?

 

[greendwarf]

Despite driving for over 30 years without ever needing to use the spare in a Mini, 2 Saabs, a Maxi, a Holden, 2 Fords, a Montego, 2 Peugeots, and now an Outlander, the realisation that there's no spare still worries me.

I researched space savers but — because of warnings about mismatched tyres and wheel diameters on the PHEV — I'm not convinced they're a safe solution (prove me wrong and I'll be happy!)

I managed to pick up four identical Outlander wheels, so carry one strapped to the back floor on longer journeys. Not 100% ideal, but gives a sense of security — wish it were thinner and lighter, though.

Another downside is getting compatible TPMS sensors fitted — anyone know why this should be so difficult and expensive in north London?

Hummingbird Motors in Colindale should be able to get them for you and programme them to the car although you will possibly have to use a tyre fitter to actually mount them on the wheels.

 

[Ken Butcher]

This YouTube video is probably known to many of you but may be of interest to some of the followers of this thread. Not sure if it is official Mitsubishi, or just some guy calling himself 'Mr Mitsubishi'.

 

[Fancy McDancy]

This YouTube video is probably known to many of you but may be of interest to some of the followers of this thread. Not sure if it is official Mitsubishi, or just some guy calling himself 'Mr Mitsubishi'.

Would I be right in thinking that the car this guy is demonstrating on is not an Outlander PHEV?

 

[Ken Butcher]

Good point. The back door doesn't say 'PHEV'. Sorry to have set a duff hare running.

 

[Fancy McDancy]

Good point. The back door doesn't say 'PHEV'. Sorry to have set a duff hare running.

No worries. Apart from the storage bit this may well prove useful. For example to those who need the technical specs.

 

[Zulu67MP]

No worries. Apart from the storage bit this may well prove useful. For example to those who need the technical specs.

Though he doesn't mention the third important spec... offset. Possibly OK on the rear, but just a tad more vital to be wary of if fitted to the front, maybe?

 

[malbut]

Hummingbird Motors in Colindale should be able to get them for you and programme them to the car although you will possibly have to use a tyre fitter to actually mount them on the wheels.

Thanks for the info — and I'm happy to pay. But around here, the few independent tyre shops and KwikFit aren't interested. I'll get ready to face the A406 and give Hummingbird a call.

 

[chezz]

Hummingbird Motors in Colindale should be able to get them for you and programme them to the car although you will possibly have to use a tyre fitter to actually mount them on the wheels.

I don't think you can get them programmed to the car?, and as it's temporary, just live with the error light until the tyre is repaired and refitted and then it might possibly require a reset to remove the error message/light. And I don't think you need to waste money on a TPMS?

 

[littlescrote]

I don't think you can get them programmed to the car?, and as it's temporary, just live with the error light until the tyre is repaired and refitted and then it might possibly require a reset to remove the error message/light. And I don't think you need to waste money on a TPMS?

You can clone TPMS sensors so the car won't know the difference.

You can also program a 2nd set to the car, but you have to tell it which set you're using (eg summer and winter wheels)

 

[greendwarf]

I don't think you can get them programmed to the car?, and as it's temporary, just live with the error light until the tyre is repaired and refitted and then it might possibly require a reset to remove the error message/light. And I don't think you need to waste money on a TPMS?

The OP has 4 wheels which suggested that he might want to have 2 sets of tyres but carry one wheel as a spare - if so, then getting a second lot of TPMS valve makes sense. If it is only the one with a tyre, then a cloned valve would be better, but I suspect they are only sold in 4s. But as, my fellow Essex boy says if you do have a second set programmed to the car then the switching between them is very straightforward (see manual)!

BTW the error message wouldn't need a reset as the car corrects itself after a few miles once the original ones are back.

And one final point, for those with older cars - the batteries in the valves eventually go flat - as I discovered to my cost!

 

[chezz]

You can clone TPMS sensors so the car won't know the difference.

You can also program a 2nd set to the car, but you have to tell it which set you're using (eg summer and winter wheels)

So you have a spare wheel, you would need to be carrying an OBD scanner that does TPMS's so that you can do a rescan as soon as you change the punctured tyre and as you are very unlikely to have each wheel marked and have a list of the TPMS ID's, you cannot set the spare up with an ID as you don't know which wheel's ID you need.

I did have a get you home spare on a Prius but never used it in ten years. The Outlander is great as it doesn't care which wheel you fit your tyres on and as I have Summer/Winter sets All I have to do is go and change them over in the settings, takes a minute or two. The worst part was getting the Tyre dealer and Mitsubishi dealer to not keep overwriting or clearing the settings when I needed to get them involved, I didn't fancy spending a few hundred dollars on a OBD that did TPMS's that I might use once every five years or so.

If you have two sets of wheels, you would probably need two spares with the same tyres for each set, or depending on your countries laws one limp home tyre?

 

[chezz]

The OP has 4 wheels which suggested that he might want to have 2 sets of tyres but carry one wheel as a spare - if so, then getting a second lot of TPMS valve makes sense. If it is only the one with a tyre, then a cloned valve would be better, but I suspect they are only sold in 4s. But as, my fellow Essex boy says if you do have a second set programmed to the car then the switching between them is very straightforward (see manual)!

BTW the error message wouldn't need a reset as the car corrects itself after a few miles once the original ones are back.

And one final point, for those with older cars - the batteries in the valves eventually go flat - as I discovered to my cost!

So you have a spare wheel, you would need to be carrying an OBD scanner that does TPMS's so that you can do a rescan (not sure about cloning) as soon as you change the punctured tyre and as you are very unlikely to have each wheel marked and have a list of the TPMS ID's, you cannot set the spare up with an ID as you don't know which wheel's ID you need.

I did have a get you home spare on a Prius but never used it in ten years. The Outlander is great as it doesn't care which wheel you fit your tyres on (as I rotate when changing sets) and as I have Summer/Winter sets All I have to do is go and change them over in the settings, takes a minute or two. The worst part was getting the Tyre dealer and Mitsubishi dealer to not keep overwriting or clearing the settings when I needed to get them involved, I didn't fancy spending a few hundred dollars on a OBD that did TPMS's that I might use once every five years or so.

If you have two sets of wheels, you would probably need two spares with the same tyres for each set, or depending on your countries laws one limp home tyre?

 

[Trussman]

You can clone TPMS sensors so the car won't know the difference.

You can also program a 2nd set to the car, but you have to tell it which set you're using (eg summer and winter wheels)

Not to hijack this thread, but, I have tried to program a 2nd set into my Canadian spec 2018 PHEV Outlander with out any success. I could get to the menu item to add the 2nd set, and pushing the button to do that always closed that menu item and moved on to the next menu item in the list.
I spoke to the local dealer about that when I went in to have them reset the TPMS system (which they normally charge $19.95 + tax to do, but they did it
"on the house" for me again) and the service manager said that that feature is locked out on the Canadian models.
Has anybody else in Canada been told this, or had success in programing a second set of TPM sensors to the vehicle?

As far as how long the batteries in them last, I had my last vehicle for 11 years and bought new snow tires/rims/sensors for it when I bought it.
The sensors in the snow tires and the sensors in the summer tires which could have been 4 years older than that as the car was 4 years old when I
purchased it were still going strong when I sold it. I was actually quite surprised at that.

 

[chezz]

Not to hijack this thread, but, I have tried to program a 2nd set into my Canadian spec 2018 PHEV Outlander with out any success. I could get to the menu item to add the 2nd set, and pushing the button to do that always closed that menu item and moved on to the next menu item in the list.
I spoke to the local dealer about that when I went in to have them reset the TPMS system (which they normally charge $19.95 + tax to do, but they did it
"on the house" for me again) and the service manager said that that feature is locked out on the Canadian models.
Has anybody else in Canada been told this, or had success in programing a second set of TPM sensors to the vehicle?

As far as how long the batteries in them last, I had my last vehicle for 11 years and bought new snow tires/rims/sensors for it when I bought it.
The sensors in the snow tires and the sensors in the summer tires which could have been 4 years older than that as the car was 4 years old when I
purchased it were still going strong when I sold it. I was actually quite surprised at that.

Do you have an OBD tool and and a tool to go round the wheels to collect the data, an OBD that does TPMS I believe costs about around $400 - $500. I eventually got mine sorted out by the local Mitsubishi dealer for free after they made a few blunders on other things, the tire dealer wanted $35 and the Mitsubishi dealer wanted $50, now I've got it sorted out I can change over the summer/winter wheels myself without having to go to the dealer or tire shop which are probably looking for the income twice a year.