how many miles should a full charge read

[elm70]

Was it really empty? The car is wildly pessimistic about kms left. The times that I drove until it was claiming that is was running on petrol fumes it turned out that there was still 5 liter left in the tank.

I don't know ... I did not fully tank my car after .. since I do not have any plan to make any long trip in the next 3 months ..

So .. as said above .. adding 30L litres made the level jump above 3/4 mark .. I would have expect just above half as result

So, the car was complaining that I had to tank as soon as possible ... and level was shown as zero ... but .. no idea how much fuel was left

More then pessimistic on range .. I think the car is "pessimistic" on the amount of fuel left inside

So .. when the tank is above 50% .. the range is optimistic even with a pessimistic count of fuel available

 

[geoffshep69]

In my experience the opposite is true, i.e. the total range predicted is usually well short of what I can actually achieve.

With a full battery, and full petrol tank, it quotes c.300 miles but bearing in mind the petrol tank capacity is 10 gallons, and you can reasonably expect to average 35mpg on petrol alone, the total range you can achieve should be closer to 370 miles.

35mpg .. is like 6.7l/100km .. that means you must drive not faster then 110km/h ~ 65mph

The combined range should reflect more the consumption in the last 50km .. since normally is relevant when people drive on motor way ... for city usage, normally is the EV range that matter

Anyhow ... my final total range end up to be over 100km shorter then what estimated .. that is relative "disappointing"

While EV range accuracy is not relevant .. the total range it is important

Also quite odd .. that after adding 30L of fuel, my fuel level jump from zero to above 3/4 .. that is very strange indeed ... maybe the fuel level measure is not that accurate on my PHEV :?:

I am generally doing 70-75 mph on the motorway and have no problem achieving 35mpg at that speed.

I note that you like to drive at 90-95mph on the motorway, so its hardly surprising that you are going to get a significantly lower mpg figure. But presumably you must have known / expected when you bought the car that it has a petrol engine and that motorway cruising at that speed was not likely to be very economic ?

 

[elm70]

I am generally doing 70-75 mph on the motorway and have no problem achieving 35mpg at that speed.

I note that you like to drive at 90-95mph on the motorway, so its hardly surprising that you are going to get a significantly lower mpg figure. But presumably you must have known / expected when you bought the car that it has a petrol engine and that motorway cruising at that speed was not likely to be very economic ?

Actually I did not know .. but it is more "virtual" problem for me.

At the end I'm not cruising that much in the motorway ... and if I have to cruise in germany, I have the option to use my "sport" weekend car for it.

So .. the few extra $ for the few times a year I make a motorway trip on the PHEV .. don't make any difference in my budget or my decision.

I know SUV in principle are bad for motorway cruising ... but this PHEV is doing quite bad ... at least it is excellent the daily commute .. plus it is a general purpose car

PS: About I like speed .. is a bit misreading ... I have long experience on motorway austria and germany and some in poland too .. and I can tell you that drive 140km/h on the dash is common ~ 50% of drivers ... it is not consider speed .. it is inside the allowed per law .. or in the safe edge of it

 

[Muddywheels]

I used to get 30-35 mpg according to computer which was about 10% over actual in my 3.0 SDV6 Range Rover Sport motorway cruising and averaged 35 mpg actual in my 2.0 TD4 Discovery Sport - worst mpg to date in phev on a long run was 42 mpg according to computer which appears to be accurate - I'm impressed with this :mrgreen:

 

[geoffshep69]

I am generally doing 70-75 mph on the motorway and have no problem achieving 35mpg at that speed.

I note that you like to drive at 90-95mph on the motorway, so its hardly surprising that you are going to get a significantly lower mpg figure. But presumably you must have known / expected when you bought the car that it has a petrol engine and that motorway cruising at that speed was not likely to be very economic ?

PS: About I like speed .. is a bit misreading ... I have long experience on motorway austria and germany and some in poland too .. and I can tell you that drive 140km/h on the dash is common ~ 50% of drivers ... it is not consider speed .. it is inside the allowed per law .. or in the safe edge of it

I wasnt accusing you of speeding or breaking the law, I know that limits are different and if you want to drive at that speed that's absolutely fine. I'm just surprised that you are disappointed that the economy is not great, as driving at that speed in an 1800kg SUV is not not going to be good whatever car you have.

I agree however, that if most of your driving is around town or within the EV range, then the savings you make on those journeys should outweigh the poorer consumption on the motorway (in comparison to a diesel car)

 

[elm70]

I wasnt accusing you of speeding or breaking the law, I know that limits are different and if you want to drive at that speed that's absolutely fine. I'm just surprised that you are disappointed that the economy is not great, as driving at that speed in an 1800kg SUV is not not going to be good whatever car you have.

I agree however, that if most of your driving is around town or within the EV range, then the savings you make on those journeys should outweigh the poorer consumption on the motorway (in comparison to a diesel car)

You are right that SUV can't have good economy on motorway .. still weight has a limited factor for cruising at constant speed.
But even if aerodynamic is good on the outlander PHEV, it has a huge surface area that need to cut into the hair .. possibly almost double area then a normal sedan ...

Still coming from a BMW X1 4x4 diesel ... economy on motorway was not bad at all .. as well ... in a video with a real test done with an outlander diesel and a PHEV ... with 60% motorway and 40% urban ... it end up that diesel is the most efficient between the two.

So .. they could have done a little better job on the PHEV for motorway consumption .. but at the end ... let say .. it is a detail

 

[geoffshep69]

I wasnt accusing you of speeding or breaking the law, I know that limits are different and if you want to drive at that speed that's absolutely fine. I'm just surprised that you are disappointed that the economy is not great, as driving at that speed in an 1800kg SUV is not not going to be good whatever car you have.

I agree however, that if most of your driving is around town or within the EV range, then the savings you make on those journeys should outweigh the poorer consumption on the motorway (in comparison to a diesel car)

Still coming from a BMW X1 4x4 diesel ... economy on motorway was not bad at all .. as well ... in a video with a real test done with an outlander diesel and a PHEV ... with 60% motorway and 40% urban ... it end up that diesel is the most efficient between the two.

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I have seen that video too, think it was in Australia ? But to be honest, if someone is spending 60% of their time on the motorway then a PHEV is probably the wrong car for them, and a diesel would be a much better option.

To be fair to Mitsubishi, I think they make it pretty clear that the PHEV is not right for everyone, and that if your driving involves a lot of motorway miles, or just a generally high level of miles each year, then the PHEV is not for you.