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sipaldi

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Hi All,
New owner awaiting collection of my 19 4h phev.

I have trawled through the forum but am struggling on the charging cable issue.

What connection will most chargers be? LIDL/ALDI/ASDA, Council car parks?

It seems the type 2 are most common from what I have read?

Are they mainly tethered or untethered?

Which would be my best bet to purchase, a type 2 to type 1 5m cable? Would this connect to both untethered and tethered type 2 chargers?

Thank you,
Phil
 
Hi and welcome,

A type two to type one cable will allow you to charge pretty much anywhere as the most popular connection is a type two untethered. I’ve only come across a couple of tethered AC chargers where this was the only option so not worth getting an adapter for that imho. Service stations usually have chademo connectors so if you want to use these you don’t need any adapter (and it’s much faster).

I would also consider installing an evse at home if you can, the granules won’t last forever!

Hope you enjoy your new car!
 
Thanks Craigy, helps me a lot.

I need to source a 5m type 2 to type 1 cable then. Do I go for the 32 amp?

With this, I assume I could also use a tethered type 2 if I were to come across one by plugging it in too?

My daily commute is only a few miles so The Phev makes sense for me also the BIK is much lower than a diesel estate which I would normally go for.
I was chewing on having a home charger fitted but with my layout at home I fear it would be more than the estimated £799 less the £500 grant. I am going to see how I get on with the 240v charger fed through the cat flap. I am thinking it will get on my nerves sooner than later though. I suppose i could fit a weather proof 240 v socket outside and box it in watertight to take the brick too?
 
There’s no benefit to you for getting a 32A cable, the PHEV can only draw 16A, it may be easier to sell at the end if it’s 32A as full BEVs can use this (though not that many use type one).
You won’t be able to use tethered type 2 chargers unless you but an adaptor cable, however these are pretty useless as you rarely find them. Furthermore the ones you find may be 22Kw chargers which certain vehicles need (Zoe?), so charging at 3.5Kw on one may not get you many friends.
 
I'm assuming you're in the UK based on your post. I think almost all AC sockets are now type 2, as is the European norm.

I think the PHEV is the only new car on sale in the UK with a type 1 connector. I bought a 32A type 1 to type 2 cable, partly because it's a bit more robust and it was only £10 more than a 16A. I did think about resale at a later date, but the market for them isn't growing and I don't hold out much hope of selling it when we do get rid of the car.

You probably won't be getting much charge at public chargers using a new cable, as the PHEV can only draw 3.6kW from a type 2 socket. Assuming you're using them while visiting a shop rather than as a destination charger, it would take you 3 hours to get 20 miles of range. In that time, 3 BEVs using the same socket could each get 100 miles of range if it's 3-phase. That's why they object to PHEVs charging, as the miles per hour is so tiny. It's not wrong, but some might say it's inconsiderate.

Another option is to use the Chademo socket, which charges the PHEV at around 18kW, so you get 80% is 20 minutes - that's a much more friendly option, but it shouldn't be used exclusively. Those are (?almost) always hard-wired to the charger, so you can just rock up and use them.

Do you have access to off-street parking at home? Because a good option would be to take advantage of the OLEV grant and get £500 towards the installation of a home charging socket while they're still available. It would be useful if you get another EV in the future, and you could use it to charge more safely and not rely on the granny charger, which can be prone to overheating after a while.
 
Hi ThudnBlundr ,
Thanks for the reply.

I figured I would use the granny charger at home as I can easily charge overnight parked on my drive. I was considering the fitted charger but don't think I would get any benefit and the cost would be more as my main fuse box is at the opposite side of my house. This would entail cables up and through the loft etc.

I am yet to actually see a public charger so don't know what I have yet in the areas I often visit. I looked at zap maps and it seems not much really. I am North Peak district/West Yorkshire area, visiting Marsden/Holmfirth/Penistone etc often. I also visit Clitheroe often as I have family there.

Will the Aldi chargers be tethered type 2? Would they have Chademo?

I am a little worried about the supplied granny charger overheating now. I assume they are covered on warranty?

All great info for a PHEV noob, thanks.

Phil
 
I don't see any overheating problem with my supplied charger. I use it practically every day, winter and summer and haven't seen any signs of overheating. Am I just lucky or is this a known problem?

Edit: Just read your post ThudnBlunder on the other thread. I thought you were referring to the actual unit, not the plug/house socket. But I've still not had any trouble like that.
 
The charger socket might be a type 2, but the PHEV needs a type 1, hence the type 2 to type 1 cable. But again, that will only supply 3.6kW AC, rather than the 45kW that some cars can take. Those are more designed as destination chargers where you aim to park for hours.

But it's much more likely to be a DC charger, with both CCS and Chademo cables wired into the charger. The PHEV uses Chademo, whereas the European standard now seems to be CCS :roll: Chademo will give you a charge to 80% (6kWh) in around 20 minutes.

There have been several reports on here and on other forums about overheating granny chargers. You may well be lucky, but all it takes is some corrosion between to connections anywhere in the circuit and you will get heat, which can cause more corrosion. 10A at 230V can generate a lot of heat if there's a poor connection. You can also search for perfectly adequate extension leads where people haven't bothered to unwind them and the normal heating at 10A causes the cable to melt. There are also plenty of pictures of burnt plugs and burnt sockets, though which triggers which isn't always clear. I'm not saying it will happen, but it definitely happens to some people. I stopped using mine when the plug got too hot over one summer.

And I'm afraid you'll be lucky if it's covered - few people have succeeded in getting their cable replaced under warranty.
 
Regulo said:
I don't see any overheating problem with my supplied charger. I use it practically every day, winter and summer and haven't seen any signs of overheating. Am I just lucky or is this a known problem?

Edit: Just read your post ThudnBlunder on the other thread. I thought you were referring to the actual unit, not the plug/house socket. But I've still not had any trouble like that.
There appears to be some sample variation. Mine never overheated, but broke its cable internally. It was glued together by some kind of tar that made it impossible to open without breaking the plastic, so I got a Ratio 6A/10A portable charge controller, which is much better.
 
ThudnBlundr said:
You can also search for perfectly adequate extension leads where people haven't bothered to unwind them and the normal heating at 10A causes the cable to melt.

Guilty as charged! Not on the PHEV, but I managed to melt an uncoiled extension lead running a 3kW fan heater in the garage. In my (much) younger and unwiser days, in my defence.
 
Hi All,
New owner awaiting collection of my 19 4h phev.

I have trawled through the forum but am struggling on the charging cable issue.

What connection will most chargers be? LIDL/ALDI/ASDA, Council car parks?

It seems the type 2 are most common from what I have read?

Are they mainly tethered or untethered?

Which would be my best bet to purchase, a type 2 to type 1 5m cable? Would this connect to both untethered and tethered type 2 chargers ev charger adapter?

Thank you,
Phil
Hi,
We’ve had our Kona EV for over two years now. The charger cable is really difficult to insert into the charge socket on the car. It’s so bad that my wife can’t actually plug the car in.
Is this a common issue or is it just us?
Is there a fix for it?

It has been to the dealer for servicing but I’ve forgotten to mention it.
 
Hi,
We’ve had our Kona EV for over two years now. The charger cable is really difficult to insert into the charge socket on the car. It’s so bad that my wife can’t actually plug the car in.
Is this a common issue or is it just us?
Is there a fix for it?

It has been to the dealer for servicing but I’ve forgotten to mention it.
Sorry mate, I think you may have posted this on the wrong forum.

Members here have the Outlander PHEV.
 
The charger socket might be a type 2, but the PHEV needs a type 1, hence the type 2 to type 1 cable. But again, that will only supply 3.6kW AC, rather than the 45kW that some cars can take. Those are more designed as destination chargers where you aim to park for hours.

But it's much more likely to be a DC charger, with both CCS and Chademo cables wired into the charger. The PHEV uses Chademo, whereas the European standard now seems to be CCS :roll: Chademo will give you a charge to 80% (6kWh) in around 20 minutes.

There have been several reports on here and on other forums about overheating granny chargers. You may well be lucky, but all it takes is some corrosion between to connections anywhere in the circuit and you will get heat, which can cause more corrosion. 10A at 230V can generate a lot of heat if there's a poor connection. You can also search for perfectly adequate extension leads where people haven't bothered to unwind them and the normal heating at 10A causes the cable to melt. There are also plenty of pictures of burnt plugs and burnt sockets, though which triggers which isn't always clear. I'm not saying it will happen, but it definitely happens to some people. I stopped using mine when the plug got too hot over one summer.

And I'm afraid you'll be lucky if it's covered - few people have succeeded in getting their cable replaced under warranty.
Believe it or not.-------------------
This is not the Title of Tv Series. I mean, please do not take it seriously. it is an interesting story just like an Ark Raider in Indiana Jones.

Believe it or not, our brain has a certain circuit which makes us a human being and also maintains a certain level of Intelligent.
I named it as WHY AND HOW circuit.
We have been born with blank storage of memory and we always fill it with something as time goes by. The mechanism of filling memory is WAH(Why And How) Circuit. We all have experienced that our children always ask us "Why" when we tell them "Do this". Because WAH circuit is most active from 0 year old until 13 years old. The baby just born actively use this cycle 1 million times a second. Remarkable. During those period, brain recognized that there are lots of empty spaces in memory and work hard to fill with something. It is Instinct. It is most important for the parents to provide better WHY's than more To DO's during this period of children. Even the baby is in mother's womb, it is active. Still our brain is searching for why, but not active as before because something is filled inside with information and brain instinct believes that it is enough for living. But this WAH is running if we intentionally requires. So, Philosophers put high value in "Curiosity" among human activities. The modern Science born under such curiosity. Cartesian method of doubt by Descartes is known as the Father of modern Science. I read this book in my Junior age and it contributed my life a lot.

Before scientist find out the WHY of the nature, such as Secret of Solar System, Existence of Electron, Mother Nature Behaviors etc, we solely rely on Ancestor's story for a WHY. Naturally, how to do should be miserable in old days of human history. Such as Witch hunting, sacrifice live blood for the God for wellness, worship the Sun, believing my sin caused the result of misfortune.

Since the scientist peeled off the secrets of the Nature and its phenomena based on the science, our society found better How To Do. General people started to learn those Why's at school and more and more people get better quality of Why and creates better How.

According to this "Believe it Or not" theory. the man who has better Why in memory dose Better How.

Mitsubishi Outlander is based on the basic Why of Law of Physics(by Newton), 1st battery and 2ndary battery(Volt), Boyle Shale's theory, Fleming's rule, Theory of Friction, Joule's law, Ohm's Law and more whys than I can describe them here. Since we do not know all of these WHY's, our way of how to is different from each other. All engineers who designed this car probably have the PHD level of why. Otherwise, it will not be successful in the test of world market.

The purpose of this forum should be included the "Why" of Mitsubishi, with filling of limited to each individual's How, based on the different range and depth of their understanding of "Why".

For example, Why the Mitsubishi started to design PHEV in SUV. If you understand this properly, then you will understand why it has CHAdeMO port while all other cars does not have in PHEV, or EV cars except Japan (ask me if you want to know). And you will find the the proper way to use this port. Sometimes, we have side effect or neglectable defect of Main "Why". but if you know the real Why, you can avoid such mistakes. Mitsubishi CHAdeMO is a kind of unnecessary part if we go deep in Why of it starting point of design. CHAdeMO is developed by Japanese Car makers for their own use. Japanese used to setup their standard to be world wide standard. CHAdeMO is one of them but failed to be world wide standard, as same as "VHS"(Worldwide) and "BETA"(Sony Only) of video standard hegemony.

CHAdeMO - Japanese product to apply EV cars - Mit use this in PHEV, why - Not for fast charging because PHEV has smaller battery, and it has Hybrid - Then why - it is for V2L - Evidence? - Yes, they had 3000w inverter with CHAdeMO adapter - why? they had power down seriously in 2011 Nuclear Plant explosion - Not for sale - Instead, they put inverter inside for a certain model for 120V AC 1500W - week point- expensive and the door should be open for outside use. This is my flow chart saved in my brain memory.

So, using CHAdeMO except for V2L or V2G or V2H is not the level of correct understanding why Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV has it, and naturally all other ways of using will be a bad example of HOW. Charging it with CHAdeMO will only affect lifespan of medium size of PHEV battery. make the matter worse, CHAdeMO adapter for bidirectional is over US$1,000. and rare to find it in US.

Another example is Why PHEV has SAVE and CHARGE mode selection in this car. Since we do not know the real WHY of those functions, there are so many different in HOW to use it. As a conclusion, according to its real "WHY", no need to use it except you attach trailer or try to speed up from 60miles per hour to 100miles per hour in a second. All others are out of Engineers' WHY. If you understand real "WHY' of those selection. please teach me. I will fill my memory with new why.

Electric heat is generated by the resistance in the circuit. Resistance is related the material character and size of area, where the electrons passing through. If there is plenty of area(AWG) and there is no obstacles(rust) during the electrons traveling, heat will be the minimum. The length of wire is not cause of heat. It just drops the Voltage. Just like the same "WHY", if you live in a long distance from the Water Tank, tab pressure becomes low. Contacts of plug is unable be calculative by the Ohm's Law because contacted area cannot be calculated as fixed shape within a certain circumstance. Most of the market product has based on those "WHY". Connecting two products are not guaranteed by the fixed result. Because of this "WHY", no manufacturer recommend connecting 2 wires with Plug.

Adding a little bit of Why at the end of this article, Mitsubishi Engineers never wanted to charge it on the public charging station, unless emergency. They want charge the battery in a slow speed at home, and the "WHY" is not found in User Manual(?).

Good luck too all
 
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