Battery mileage

[ThudnBlundr]

My battery is only charging 5.6KW
That’s crazy
2019 Mitsubishi with 50k miles
I put $1 as cost per KW and in the morning after a full charge I see that the cost of my last charge was $5.66
That’s less than 50% of what it should be???
Clearly my range is bad (12 miles)
What can I do ?

As I said in the other thread:

As it shows empty with 30% left in the battery, that means your SOH is just under 70%. If like here they run a DBCAM to recalibrate the BMS to the actual capacity (as opposed to its estimate), you'll probably revert to over 70% so won't be eligible for a warranty claim.

 

[Bobreak]

Very valid points here guys, my Mitsubishi 2019 showing 15miles (24km) EV range. But I’m new driver, only bought my Outlander last week, charged twice so far, covered 22 miles daily and after the first drive I drained battery after 16 miles. It was me and 1 passengers on flat terrain on a rather cold rainy day, in the city, 10-15 degrees outside in the rain with average speed 25m/h . Not great results and I’m expecting my Carly OBD2 in the post in the few days time

 

[LowOnCash]

Getting great range from my 2023 with its 20 kw pack. We live in rural area getting average 3.5 mile kw average 45-55 miles per charge. The Outlander works perfect for our 30 mile round trip to town each morning with range to spare.

Regards Mike

 

[Rockwallrick]

We are averaging 2.9 miles per kWh and getting 40 to 45 miles of EV range. Tried to do a Chademo charge on an 80 mile round trip the other day but couldn’t get the charger to work so we did burn some gas on the way home. Hoping to get at least 30 mpg on our upcoming road trip up to New Hampshire.

 

[LowOnCash]

We are averaging 2.9 miles per kWh and getting 40 to 45 miles of EV range. Tried to do a Chademo charge on an 80 mile round trip the other day but couldn’t get the charger to work so we did burn some gas on the way home. Hoping to get at least 30 mpg on our upcoming road trip up to New Hampshire.

Hello All - Myself, I feel that DC charging is useless for a PHEV like the Outlander. The DC charging feature is merely a hook to confuse inexperienced buyers.

I just can't see a Outlander owner sitting somewhere charging for 30-50 minutes in a strange unsafe location when they have a gas engine to do the same work. The whole reason for buying a plug in hybrid, is to avoid paying to be tethered to a charger cable with no escape without getting out of the car.

My friend Jim DC charged his 23' Outlander and when he calculated the cost, the DC charging actually cost more than the fuel he would have used. We're only talking a little over a gallon of fuel to match a 80% DC charge, so if DC charging cost more than $3.00 (and it will) you're just wasting time and money.

DC fast charging is very expensive and in some states as high as a tank of fuel to charge an 77kw pack on a EV-6. While you can pay up to a dollar a Kw, the average price is 35 cents per Kw. So to charge the Outlander's 20 kw battery it would cost around $7.00 and you're only going to travel 35-55 miles. Outlander should have used the money spent on the DC charger and instead installed a higher output AC onboard charger we all need.

I'm a firm believer that EV charging should only be done in the safety of your home or office.

Regards - Mike

 

[mellobob]

Here in BC (Canada) we have some pro-electric programs to encourage the switchover to EV. As part of that, the hydro company has installed some chargers at rest stops and other locations. They are free to use So, when I find one I'll stop and plug in for 20 to 30 minutes, charge the car, use the rest room, and educate some of the other idlers at the stop Pay for that charge? Nope ... makes no sense.

 

[LowOnCash]

Here in BC (Canada) we have some pro-electric programs to encourage the switchover to EV. As part of that, the hydro company has installed some chargers at rest stops and other locations. They are free to use So, when I find one I'll stop and plug in for 20 to 30 minutes, charge the car, use the rest room, and educate some of the other idlers at the stop Pay for that charge? Nope ... makes no sense.

Thanks for the reply - I should have mentioned the only exception to DC charging is if its free. Yeah if you're just hanging out it might be worth the wait. Are those charge stations DC or AC or both?

Mike

 

[Rockwallrick]

I totally agree that the DC charge port on the Outlander PHEV doesn’t make much sense! I have only tried it one time since we got the car three months ago. I don’t expect to use it all on my upcoming 3,000 mile road trip!!!

 

[mellobob]

Here in BC (Canada) we have some pro-electric programs to encourage the switchover to EV. As part of that, the hydro company has installed some chargers at rest stops and other locations. They are free to use So, when I find one I'll stop and plug in for 20 to 30 minutes, charge the car, use the rest room, and educate some of the other idlers at the stop Pay for that charge? Nope ... makes no sense.

Thanks for the reply - I should have mentioned the only exception to DC charging is if its free. Yeah if you're just hanging out it might be worth the wait. Are those charge stations DC or AC or both?

Mike


Free as in free They have CSS and CHAdeMO connections at 40kW ... our govt. is good at giving our money away, so I might as well take some .

 

[roussir]

I totally agree that the DC charge port on the Outlander PHEV doesn’t make much sense! I have only tried it one time since we got the car three months ago. I don’t expect to use it all on my upcoming 3,000 mile road trip!!!

It makes sense for V2H. You can use the car as a 10 kW backup generator or solar storage. I also use it to charge at work when all L2s are taken.

 

[Terry Yates]

Temps after a slightly longer drive this morning -
Two fronts 379 and 402 and two backs 363 and 374.
Ambient this morning was 22 degC.

Both yesterday and this morning I drove the car 'default' - just hit the Ready button and drove off as per another posters advice to start logging actual mileage and indication mileage.

Yesterday I charge the car on the supplied Mitsubishi charger. It had dropped to 9 kilometres remaining and charged to 32. I didn't expect to feel any regeneration with the battery "fully charged" as per other contributors to this forum - ie: I understood it drops off the higher the battery is.
To be honest I can't feel any difference between default B2, B1 or B3. I feel it at B4 and particularly at B5.

And in regards to the brake pads, disc pads do always lightly rub the surface of the discs - thats normal.

So I'm logging the actual and indicated mileage and I'll monitor the brakes for a while longer but at the moment I don't find them alarming. Later this week I'll have a round trip of about 16 kilometres so it will be a better check than the short drives so far.

Good day to all of you, I purchased a 2016 Outlander PHEV with 107k and I get a maximum charge of 33 on the clock, today did a run mostly freeway and got an actual 29 klms before it went over to the engine, so it seems I am not doing too bad. Its better to only charge for about 90% as the battery does have a memory and I have read its not good to leave on all night charge.
Theres an outfit here in Auckland .N Z who check the battery and identify the dud small batteries and replace them to give you a 100% batter condition and its way less than a new replacement.

 

[Terry Yates]

Good day to all of you, I purchased a 2016 Outlander PHEV with 107k and I get a maximum charge of 33 on the clock, today did a run mostly freeway and got an actual 29 klms before it went over to the engine, so it seems I am not doing too bad. Its better to only charge for about 90% as the battery does have a memory and I have read its not good to leave on all night charge.
Theres an outfit here in Auckland .N Z who check the battery and identify the dud small batteries and replace them to give you a 100% batter condition and its way less than a new replacement.

Good day to all of you, I purchased a 2016 Outlander PHEV with 107k and I get a maximum charge of 33 on the clock, today did a run mostly freeway and got an actual 29 klms before it went over to the engine, so it seems I am not doing too bad. Its better to only charge for about 90% as the battery does have a memory and I have read its not good to leave on all night charge.
Theres an outfit here in Auckland .N Z who check the battery and identify the dud small batteries and replace them to give you a 100% batter condition and its way less than a new replacement.

Just a bit more info , The 2016 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV was an import from Japan , one owner and seems to have been looked after. it is always charged after using it , and the formula I use is that I like to charge it up to around 32 and charge it on a time basis of 5 klms needs 1/2 hr charge using household mains 240v. I had a run into one of the seaside towns here in Auckland today, starting out with a charge of 31 klms and travelling 8 kilms to destination it reached 32 klms upon arrival, so I drove that distance for nothing and got a bonus of 1 klm , I always drive with running lights and P4 for regeneration

 

[RobertGrover]

Hi again.
Most days were around 20 degrees with the last few being 28 - 29 degrees (I have been recording the ambient temp on my log sheet).
AC on all the time.
No other load other than myself - an embarrassing 104kg.
Terrain mostly flat with one hill occasionally transversed and return down same hill to get the mail - approx 3.5 kilometres.

As per last post, I ran the battery right out yesterday and I charged it overnight.
Once again it only charges to 33klms of range. Thats my bug.

I did 13 klms of driving this morning, and the actual trip meter and battery indicator remained fairly close. The battery is not depleted yet - its at 16klms remaining.

But this isn't my complaint. My complaint is that whether its by plug-in or by forcing the car to Charge and using B5, it won't charge to more than 33klms battery range and says it full.
Spec says it should get 54klms and I realise thats in perfect conditions etc etc etc and that realistically in actual driving owners will get less. But I should be getting between 40 and 50klms on an overnight charge or long period of forced charge running on fuel only surely???

Why can I only get 33klms range is my concern.
I know your probably going to say the guessometre has adjusted to my driving style perhaps, but I can promise you that when in EV I never go out of the green zone on the dial and the engine never cuts in. I have no need to even if I was a leadfoot because of the traffic and traffic lights in my area. Its why I gave up my beloved BM and went for this PHEV - the BM was choking and high consumption under my driving conditions since I stopped the long drives and business trips away.

If I recall correctly my 2020 is only rated for 35km in EV mode….

 

[PHEV07]

Addressing brakes:
handbrake is electronic. No handle. Switch. Up for on with orange indicator and down for off. I'm old fashioned and don't like it much but it came with the car. It also has the hill assist which I do sort of like.

Good idea about checking wheel temps and I will do so.

No, I don't have TMS. I was a bit surprised it wasn't on an Exceed but I don't miss it.

Addressing the range:
Yes, I also was surprised about getting 66 Kilometers as from all my research into the outlander PHEV it was unrealistic. So I am not expecting it to be that high always.
At the same time, I did expect to see more than 24.
The 66 range did last 5 days though which I was only mentally logging and I estimated about 40 Kilometers. With AC on - it's always on. Sydney is muggy.

Since then, the 33 Kilometers plug in charge seemed to quickly drop and so do the 24 self charge if I let them. If I use b5 and the charge button I seem to be able to keep it between 19 to 24. But as mentioned, never higher and it seems to drop very quickly to around 10 - 12 if I don't switch on charge or b5.

Is there any way to clear the guessometer or set up back to start from a "default/new" to be rid of it's driving history and I can start it again from scratch? Then I can start logging as well and perhaps get a new history around my driving style and local environment.
Is it what they call bmu? I thought bmu was the system automatically compensating for the batteries age. There seems to be a lot of opinion that Mitsubishi have their algorithm for this incorrect.

I just noticed this thread and hope that I may be of some assist.

I drove a 2018 Outlander PHEV 12kWh from 2018 thru to Sep 2021 and would get 40/55 kms on a full charge in warm weather.

Then from 2021 to Apr 2024 I drove a 2022 PHEV 13.8kWh and would average 50/60 kms on a full charge in warm weather.

After some testing I found that I would get much my greatest range when I drove it in EV Mode, with Regen on B0 and in ECO Mode.

When the temperature started to drop I would force EV Mode, ECO Mode and BO and would get a range of 35/50 kms, before the ICE kicked to help hear Cab Heat. In the winter would get 30/35 kms in EV but the ICE would charge the Battery whenever it ran.

Hope this helps