1500 watt plug

[BobK]

My foot sensor worked great before I put the trailer hitch on, now it's a 25% success rate on the first swipe.

Is that the Mitsubishi trailer hitch or a third party one? My swipe success rate didn't changed after I installed the factory trailer hitch.

 

[winnipegboy]

Yes, I don't swipe; I do more of a gentle forward kick in the centre.

On a 2024 PHEV the foot sensor is on the driver side, not the centre.

 

[russ]

more disappointment -
can't start car with AC on unless I run the ICE & now you're telling me I need to run the ICE to use the power point.
Things they don't mention at the dealership!
Can anyone out there open the tailgate by swipping your foot accross the sensor?

Ready mode does not mean ice running. Just the hv battery is available. If it was flat I guess the ice would start.

 

[Ben Baker]

Is that the Mitsubishi trailer hitch or a third party one? My swipe success rate didn't changed after I installed the factory trailer hitch.

It' a Curt.

 

[Vasgorm]

I would suspect that in order to do that, you need full EV capability

not sure what you mean, are you saying the battery needs be fully charged or you need an EV only vechicle?

 

[Vasgorm]

My foot sensor worked great before I put the trailer hitch on, now it's a 25% success rate on the first swipe.

it didn't work before i got an after market tow bar, i tried lefty43 kick method & it worked.
when i tried to demonstrate to my wife the kicking method i couldn't get it to work again.

 

[Vasgorm]

Ready mode does not mean ice running. Just the hv battery is available. If it was flat I guess the ice would start.

whats the ready mode?
the battery is not flat when this has happened.
the car is a year old now & i'm sure this was not happing this time last year - the reason i can tell is that apart from the sound of the ICE running there is no beeping in reverse.

 

[Vasgorm]

The other factor with AC and the engine starting, is the difference between your target temperature, and the current temperature in the car. If that difference is over a particular value (sorry I don't know what the value is) the engine will always start.

i'm pretty sure this was not happing last winter.

 

[Woon Chung]

One clarification.Is the traction battery or the smaller 12v battery being used?

Good question.
Lots of people have different answer on this question. I don't remember in which thread instantly, I loaded up my questions on this issue. Nobody gave me concreate answer on this as scientific background. Someone(Danie77) did a tremendously good job and provided enough information on positive result by connecting 2500w inverter to Aux battery connecter

Before we listen to somebody's opinion, i hope it should be supported by engineering data sheet because it is related 100% electric circuit design based on electric science. if not we cannot predict what will happen after long use, disregarding experiential installation success.

So please provide good information on this issue.

GT model has 1500w 120/240v AC outlet. It is designed to supply power directly from Drive battery. It is fact. But the limit is 1500w according to manual. It is running only the vehicle is ready mode. Once drive battery reaches at a certain % (some say 30% other say 25%, it does not important) ICE starts to generate energy for charging. That's why it should be "Ready" mode.

Here arouse one scientific question. Why it limits to 1500W. Drive Battery has 13.8 kwh with 300vDC. When it transferred to 120v ac, it can be reached up to over 5,000w. In addition to that, if the system has maximum power of 1500w, electric engineers never describe 1500w as maximum capacity. They always put margin on this kind of job. This outlet is controlled by the On/Off switch. They try to prevent any accident in circuit by cutting this line in case of worst scenario. Engineer assumes that in case user use all 12v accessories in maximum condition and in such severe condition including weather and so on, user can use 120 AC up to 1500w. So, 1500w is most stable and safe line when engineer designed this circuit considering worst case. No data sheet I have.

When Japan experienced Tsunami disaster in 2011, they provide to Government i-MiEV to support disaster area to transport necessity. Leaf did the same job. It was very successful. Charge during night and use this without gas. At that time, Mitsubishi learned that EV will be a good source of power supply to emergency equipment in no power area in case of power down. So, when they produce Outlander PHEV, they included CHAdeMO port and it is used for charge and discharge purpose. They also invented 3000W CHAdeMO inverter of 100v supply for emergency equipment. But it is existing only on media in Japan and nobody see actual inverter in US.

Australian guy introduces on You Tube this CHAdeMO connect cable to connect Home Emergency System for using PHEV battery as a source of power. SETEC in China factory once they have CHAdeMO connect inverter 3000w but I can't find it anymore in US Market. They have EU market product quite a time ago.

Considering such information and imagination, Drive battery is capable to 3000w as per engineer, but they prevent to use over 1500w by owner, they insert On/Off switch without any reason. I am sure that they did not changed whole circuit in order to minimize Drive battery use. Just add switch only. So you cannot go over 1500w theoretically. May be 10% more in case, but still 3000w from Drive battery is capable as it is designed so, I believe.

Let's talk about another situation. Lots of people add inverter to 12v battery connector. There are many examples of connecting inverter to Aux battery in You Tube. Some with multiple battery, and some with charging from Solar panel. Also, in RV world, connecting inverter to 12v battery becomes common senses. There are many safety way to do so, and there are so many convenient way, pay not too much safety issues.

Naturally, another question is that is it safe to connect AC inverter to Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV?. There is clear answer to this question. Daniel77 installed 2500w AC inverter to his car and successful to run in over 10 hrs. He even tried most high wattage Heater and it went on. Wow. What a great job. He wants to use average 2100w but install 2500w inverter for safety. Good thinking.

But can it be permanently safe to this car?. Actually we do not know, because engineer did not answer this question. This may affect the life of Drive Battey, or, converter module will be affected somehow, or some damage on some portion of the circuit part will be damaged. Nobody knows. Only the circuit engineer knows this answer.

But we are not stupid to stop here. There are may EV cars our there. Not only the Mitsubishi but also Toyota, Ford, Nissan, Hyundai, all the EV manufacturers are using Drive battery. So we can get information from them. Most probably, Prius is the famous car using inverters as AC power source. There are no significant failure by installing inverter to 12v battery for a few days of using in camping over and over. The rest of the cars have same trend. No need to say RV's. Hyundai already started to use drive battery as a source of AC by connecting J1772 with AC plug to use directly from drive battery. No need inverter to use it. Just plug proper J1772 plug into the charging port and it recognize as a discharger and switch to battery as a power source by its own program. The days will come soon as this will be the selling point of EV car and it will be spread to all other manufacturer. So be patient.

If I intend to PHEV as emergency power source, it will be OK to use inverter for short period of use, when it is not used every day for work or hobby. I think.

You don have to rush to install it to the car. Just buy a 2500w inverter and thick cable and fuse of 120A, referring You Tube. Assemble them ready to connect to the car when you lose grid power. It will take only less than 30 min to connect cables to battery. Don't connect black/ ground line to battery. This line will be connected to chassis.

I welcome data sheets how much DC-DC converter can supply to Aux battery to charge, and how much DC-DC converter supply 12V to car accessories when the car is in Ready Mode. I need to be confirmed that even though inverter is connected to Aux battery, the power source is DC-DC converter 12v. What I mean is that Inverter is not getting the power from Aux battery.

 

[Vasgorm]

Yes, I don't swipe; I do more of a gentle forward kick in the centre.

i got it to work following your suggestion but when i went to show my wife the next day i couldn't make it happen, i was wearing different footwear.
mitsubishi service department also mentioned to stand back from the sensor on the bumper.

 

[Vasgorm]

The other factor with AC and the engine starting, is the difference between your target temperature, and the current temperature in the car. If that difference is over a particular value (sorry I don't know what the value is) the engine will always start.

i have a feeling that something needs to be reset after having my car serviced it has stopped starting in ICE mode.
i did complain about this prior to the service & they could not find a reason why this was happening but suggested that something must of been re calibrated in the service procedure.

 

[Vasgorm]

Just tried on my 2024 GST. I needed to start car with Brake Pedal pushed. Only then did the light on the 120VAC button come. So it seems that the Ready light on the Dash needs to be on for the power to to 120 VAC to turn on,on my 2024 GT.

the service department at the dealership has confirmed that the outlet will not work unless the ICE is runing

 

[Woon Chung]

I imagine that is to avoid draining the 12v battery by ensuring the drive battery is on line to handle the potential load.

Correct but not 12v battery. I've learned this tips from this forum. Lots of people knows about this. If I summarize it, Power Flows as, Traction battery -> DC DC converter -> DC AC inverter -> 120v 1500 w on/off switch - >120 v 1500 w outlet. ON/OFF switch may be in elsewhere in circuit. If assume this power flow is active without READY mode, appliance connected to 120v outlet will use all power from Traction battery and it will die. Before battery level reaches to minimum, ICE runs to supply the power to battery to maintain minimum level. Even though we can stop using the appliance before battery die, Mitsubishi Engineer will not rely upon customers. Thus, they have to designed the circuit to protect total drain from Traction Battery.

ICE car's 12v battery runs start motor, once ICE runs, 12v power is supplied by the ICE alternator alone. This alternator maintains 12v battery charged, too. This means during ICE runs, 12v battery does nothing while all 12v system in the car gets the power from alternator. When we stop running the car and engines stops, some of 12v system get power from the 12v battery. Therefore, In order to prevent 12v die, all accessories should be off. If we left head beam on after engine stops, 12 v will die after 2-3 hours. Even you leave door open, indoor lamp use all battery during overnight. Modern electric tech, such as add Lamp Auto OFF, Indoor light off after a certain period of time, alarm if the door is not closed firmly, ETC sensors cut the 12v line by itself to prevent 12v battery die.

This concept on ICE car applied to EV 12v system with more tech, such as protect traction battery drain below minimum. 12v battery is used for initiate the car system only. Thus, if 12v battery has not been charged enough to initiate the car, it cannot be in Ready Mode. the car cannot run. It has no relation with Traction battery. Even traction battery is full, the car will not be in ready mode once 12v battery is empty. Once the car is in ready mode, all 12v system in the car has the power from Traction Battery, also 12v battery maintains full charged in the mean time. In EV car, the car stops running before the traction battery become totally empty, as if ICE only car stops running when the gas tank is empty. In PHEV system, ICE engine starts to run if the car is in ready mode and charge the battery to maintain minimum level. Hybrid has shouter sequence in cycle, because the traction battery capacity is smaller than PHEV.

This is the summary of my learn from this forum. Before I buy Outlander PHEV, I know nothing about this. It maybe incorrect in some point. Please correct me if you know correct information.