very low battery charge

[JoeMalta]

I am noticing that for these last 5-6 weeks my full charge is getting a max of 20-22 miles ONLY. Is this something to worry me or is normal? as its been a long time not exceeding the 22 miles on full charge. I charge my car daily and it will be totally empty. Your help is much appreciated. Don't tell me check the battery as here in Malta we don't have the PHEV cars, I bought mine from UK, so the local dealer can't help me as they don't import these cars here for now.

 

[maby]

What's the weather like there? I seldom get better than 22 miles except in the middle of the summer and with the temperature close to zero (UK winters), I reckon I'm doing well to get 16 miles.

 

[anko]

Don't tell me check the battery as here in Malta we don't have the PHEV cars, I bought mine from UK, so the local dealer can't help me as they don't import these cars here for now.

Get the EvBatMon app or the PHEV WatchDog app plus a suitable OBD adapter and you can check it yourself.

Apart from that: what Maby said

 

[JoeMalta]

What's the weather like there? I seldom get better than 22 miles except in the middle of the summer and with the temperature close to zero (UK winters), I reckon I'm doing well to get 16 miles.

The weather at the moment here is approx 17-19 degrees Celcius

 

[maby]

What's the weather like there? I seldom get better than 22 miles except in the middle of the summer and with the temperature close to zero (UK winters), I reckon I'm doing well to get 16 miles.

The weather at the moment here is approx 17-19 degrees Celcius

How long have you had the car? Have you driven it before at those temperatures? With my driving style, I would not be too surprised to see an EV range of 22 miles at 17C - but I am not a particularly gentle driver. I will typically have either the heater or aircon on all the time and I do a lot of relatively high speed motorway miles. It is certainly possible to get better if you actively drive for economy - if you have seen better at that temperature, then perhaps you do have a fault.

We have at least one other contributor here who reported a significant loss of range and subsequently discovered that one or more of his brakes were not disengaging properly.

 

[JoeMalta]

How long have you had the car? Have you driven it before at those temperatures?

I had the car for about 4 months now. It's the first winter, although in Malta the temperatures are always above 10 degrees Celcius even in January-Feb

 

[maby]

I had the car for about 4 months now. It's the first winter, although in Malta the temperatures are always above 10 degrees Celcius even in January-Feb

22 miles at 17c would not have me reaching for the warranty documents

 

[elm70]

I am noticing that for these last 5-6 weeks my full charge is getting a max of 20-22 miles ONLY. Is this something to worry me or is normal? as its been a long time not exceeding the 22 miles on full charge. I charge my car daily and it will be totally empty. Your help is much appreciated. Don't tell me check the battery as here in Malta we don't have the PHEV cars, I bought mine from UK, so the local dealer can't help me as they don't import these cars here for now.

I would say ... don't worry

The reported EV range , is function more of the last usage and other strange parameters .. which don't necessary consider the battery condition

Unless you have an OBD2 adapter that work with PHEVwatchDog or EvBatMon , I think the only way to get a decent indication of battery condition it is to check on the MMCS the last charging .. you should have around 8kwh reported from a "full" charge, so after the car has an EV range less then 2km ... for get this type of report .. just set a price per kwh to 1 or 0.1 on the MMCS , for make the maths more easy

 

[elm70]

22 miles at 17c would not have me reaching for the warranty documents

22miles at 17c is "normal" .. if the car has AC on.

Else it should show a bit more .. even if it is driven with an heavy foot.

 

[JoeMalta]

22 miles at 17c would not have me reaching for the warranty documents

22miles at 17c is "normal" .. if the car has AC on.

Else it should show a bit more .. even if it is driven with an heavy foot.

No ac on, no heaters, no seat warming nothing is on

 

[elm70]

No ac on, no heaters, no seat warming nothing is on

Since also in Malta it is bit colder now .. maybe the car account also the air heating function .. if requested cabin temperature is above the outside/inside temperature .. this cause to start an electric heater that consume ~4kw .. and it can have a impact on EV range ... for be sure to don't consume any electricity on this, the cabin temperature should be set to 15C with AC off.

As well ... Have you verified if you can only do 22miles in EV mode ?

The only way to make so short EV range, is to drive constantly above 100km/h ... at high speed the declared 52km is far from reality.
Maybe the last few km before switch off the car have been done at high speed, and this is consider by the car guessing algorithm for EV range.

Anyhow ... the EV range ... is not really much connected to real battery degradation .. so .. I would not be much worried about.

Still .. it is nice to know the PHEV battery condition, and now with the new super apps PHEVwatchDog .. this can be obtained with just the cost of a decent ODB2 adapter.

 

[Tipper]

The range 'guess-o-meter' is just that...a guess at the possible range calculated from what has gone before.

Recently I pushed my PHEV to the limit by travelling long distance at high speed. The next morning after an overnight charge it had the best range I had ever seen at 28 miles. The day after that it was back to my winter normal of 18-20 miles.

Frankly I don't take much notice of the range other than to know when to select 'save' when on a longer run so I have energy for hills and overtaking and battery in reserve for the local driving at my destination. I don't suppose any of the above applies on Malta though! :lol:

 

[jaapv]

I am noticing that for these last 5-6 weeks my full charge is getting a max of 20-22 miles ONLY. Is this something to worry me or is normal? as its been a long time not exceeding the 22 miles on full charge. I charge my car daily and it will be totally empty. Your help is much appreciated. Don't tell me check the battery as here in Malta we don't have the PHEV cars, I bought mine from UK, so the local dealer can't help me as they don't import these cars here for now.

How are you going to maintain it? It requires a specialized dealer with factory-trained staff. Most faults and breakdowns -admittedly few- reported in this forum needed to be solved or at least diagnosed by digital means, using dedicated programs and sometimes factory assistance on-line.
The same goes for routine service, part of the protocol requires a specialist.

 

[maby]

I am noticing that for these last 5-6 weeks my full charge is getting a max of 20-22 miles ONLY. Is this something to worry me or is normal? as its been a long time not exceeding the 22 miles on full charge. I charge my car daily and it will be totally empty. Your help is much appreciated. Don't tell me check the battery as here in Malta we don't have the PHEV cars, I bought mine from UK, so the local dealer can't help me as they don't import these cars here for now.

How are you going to maintain it? It requires a specialized dealer with factory-trained staff. Most faults and breakdowns -admittedly few- reported in this forum needed to be solved or at least diagnosed by digital means, using dedicated programs and sometimes factory assistance on-line.
The same goes for routine service, part of the protocol requires a specialist.

I see little evidence of them actually doing anything more significant than an oil change. I suspect that they do plug it up to the network so that Mitsubishi can download performance data, but I think they only actually use it for future product development.

Now ours is out of warranty, I anticipate doing most of the services myself and only going to the main dealer when there is evidence of a fault.

 

[jaapv]

Not so, in my experience. They do have it on the computer and do download data, but much of the adjusting and tuning is done by computer, as is the down;oad of minor updates and bug fixes.

 

[HHL]

I am noticing that for these last 5-6 weeks my full charge is getting a max of 20-22 miles ONLY. Is this something to worry me or is normal? as its been a long time not exceeding the 22 miles on full charge. I charge my car daily and it will be totally empty. Your help is much appreciated. Don't tell me check the battery as here in Malta we don't have the PHEV cars, I bought mine from UK, so the local dealer can't help me as they don't import these cars here for now.

How are you going to maintain it? It requires a specialized dealer with factory-trained staff. Most faults and breakdowns -admittedly few- reported in this forum needed to be solved or at least diagnosed by digital means, using dedicated programs and sometimes factory assistance on-line.
The same goes for routine service, part of the protocol requires a specialist.

I see little evidence of them actually doing anything more significant than an oil change. I suspect that they do plug it up to the network so that Mitsubishi can download performance data, but I think they only actually use it for future product development.

Now ours is out of warranty, I anticipate doing most of the services myself and only going to the main dealer when there is evidence of a fault.

Not so!
They changed the pollen filter in the aircon AND the aircleaner element in mine....
They also adjusted the cost of the service from $900.00 to $470.00 after I pointed out that the service schedule in the book indicated that it was little more than an oil and filter change. Still an expensive one at that.

 

[maby]

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As well ... Have you verified if you can only do 22miles in EV mode ?

The only way to make so short EV range, is to drive constantly above 100km/h .

Driving style has a big impact on EV range too! Since the day I picked the car up brand new from the dealer, I have generally only got about 24 miles range even in the summer, decreasing to about 16 miles in the middle of a British winter. These are figures for slow, urban driving, not motorway dashes. I did test it driving very gently and it was able to do 30 miles, but only driving it so gently that I found it unusable - others may be more willing to compromise.