New Nav Software

[crustovich]

Just saw a tweet about the new Outlander will have TomTom navigation.

The new @MitsubishiUK #PHEV #Juro will feature smartphone integration, TomTom sat-nav and an Outlander bonnet emblem and much more!

Wonder what are the chances we can retro install it onto our MMCS and ditch the crap we have now?

 

[elm70]

Just saw a tweet about the new Outlander will have TomTom navigation.

The new @MitsubishiUK #PHEV #Juro will feature smartphone integration, TomTom sat-nav and an Outlander bonnet emblem and much more!

Wonder what are the chances we can retro install it onto our MMCS and ditch the crap we have now?

In theory it is possible to make firmware update over WiFi and the PHEV apps ... in practice ... I guess nobody in Mitsubishi will bother to update old cars, it is only extra cost and extra trouble for them .. plus a potential damage for Navigaor .. so ... chances are 0% for my view

Anyhow .. move away from Navigator is a smart move ...

 

[ChrisMiller]

Surely the only sensible way to go is to allow smartphones to directly integrate with a screen inside the car, giving access to (greatly superior) sat-nav and many other features for ~$100 (actually zero, since everyone who owns such a car will have a smartphone) - why include your own messy, expensive sat-nav as well? I suppose there may be areas where mobile phones can't get a useful data signal, but there are usually options to pre-load maps to cover such (increasingly rare) instances.

 

[jaapv]

Roaming charges abroad?

 

[elm70]

Surely the only sensible way to go is to allow smartphones to directly integrate with a screen inside the car, giving access to (greatly superior) sat-nav and many other features for ~$100 (actually zero, since everyone who owns such a car will have a smartphone) - why include your own messy, expensive sat-nav as well? I suppose there may be areas where mobile phones can't get a useful data signal, but there are usually options to pre-load maps to cover such (increasingly rare) instances.

It would be great ... but I don't see any standard that could really help on it

Some phone allow to broadcast the screen over WiFI .. but it is not a stable technology/standard .. plus it is needed to support some input device to control the phone too .. some sort of mouse control over bluetooth ...

Nothing too easy and too cheap ... nor fully standard

The easy solution is to use voice navigation system from the phone ... and eventually stick the phone somewhere in the car .. the window "phone stiker" cost no more then 10 USD ... so .. it is impossible to compete with it

PS: About roaming ... offline maps works fine ... since ages with the nokia phones ... but google does support very well offline maps in these days

PPS: Personally I like a proper independent navigation system in the car (GPS reception is better from car, then from a phone inside a car) ... the system used by BMW is perfectly nice and fine for me ... the one in this mitsubishi sucks .. tons .. under all the possible aspects ... so .. moving away from Navigator is a very smart decision from Mitsubishi

 

[anko]

Just saw a tweet about the new Outlander will have TomTom navigation.

The new @MitsubishiUK #PHEV #Juro will feature smartphone integration, TomTom sat-nav and an Outlander bonnet emblem and much more!

Wonder what are the chances we can retro install it onto our MMCS and ditch the crap we have now?

In theory it is possible to make firmware update over WiFi and the PHEV apps ....

Where does this wisdom come from, if I may ask? Because i think it is not true.

Wifi and mmcs are not related. Only thing they have in common is that they both provide an interface for setting up charge and heater timers.

 

[elm70]

Where does this wisdom come from, if I may ask? Because i think it is not true.

Wifi and mmcs are not related. Only thing they have in common is that they both provide an interface for setting up charge and heater timers.

It is stated that firmware update can be done over WiFi using the app .. so .. I assume that this is also connected to MMCS firmware .. since the biggest firmware is on the MMCS ... I don't think mitsubishi want us to update the ECU firmware over WiFi :shock:

MMCS and WiFI are connected ... since they share time charging and heat up/AC timers ... disabling the WiFi cause also to reset these fields in MMCS


Reference: http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/en/products/outlander_phev/app/remote/other.html

Vehicle Software Update
You can update the software of your vehicle.
When an update is available for your vehicle, the update recommendation screen will be displayed.
It is the best to update the software when this recommendation screen is displayed, so that the app continues to function normally.

 

[ChrisMiller]

Roaming charges abroad?

I thought the EU had abolished them?

My network operator charges £2 a day for roaming, some make no charge at all (for most countries we're likely to be driving our own car in).

 

[jaapv]

Yes, but what is that going to help you in the UK? You're out.

 

[SolarBoy]

Yes, but what is that going to help you in the UK? You're out.

 

[greendwarf]

since everyone who owns such a car will have a smartphone.

Well not me -I've just bought one after 2 years with a Gx3 :roll:

 

[anko]

Where does this wisdom come from, if I may ask? Because i think it is not true.

Wifi and mmcs are not related. Only thing they have in common is that they both provide an interface for setting up charge and heater timers.

It is stated that firmware update can be done over WiFi using the app .. so .. I assume that this is also connected to MMCS firmware .. since the biggest firmware is on the MMCS ... I don't think mitsubishi want us to update the ECU firmware over WiFi :shock:

MMCS and WiFI are connected ... since they share time charging and heat up/AC timers ... disabling the WiFi cause also to reset these fields in MMCS


Reference: http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/en/products/outlander_phev/app/remote/other.html

Vehicle Software Update
You can update the software of your vehicle.
When an update is available for your vehicle, the update recommendation screen will be displayed.
It is the best to update the software when this recommendation screen is displayed, so that the app continues to function normally.

That last quote is taken out of its context. I am pretty sure it only applies to the remote control system. Also, I have performed two firmware updates to mmcs myself and they do not involve wifi.

Like I said, mmcs is, when it comes to heating and charging, just a user interface that allows you to set the timers. But it does not hold any of those timers itself.

Anyway, best not to make to many assumptions and post them here as facts.

 

[elm70]

Where does this wisdom come from, if I may ask? Because i think it is not true.

Wifi and mmcs are not related. Only thing they have in common is that they both provide an interface for setting up charge and heater timers.

It is stated that firmware update can be done over WiFi using the app .. so .. I assume that this is also connected to MMCS firmware .. since the biggest firmware is on the MMCS ... I don't think mitsubishi want us to update the ECU firmware over WiFi :shock:

MMCS and WiFI are connected ... since they share time charging and heat up/AC timers ... disabling the WiFi cause also to reset these fields in MMCS


Reference: http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/en/products/outlander_phev/app/remote/other.html

Vehicle Software Update
You can update the software of your vehicle.
When an update is available for your vehicle, the update recommendation screen will be displayed.
It is the best to update the software when this recommendation screen is displayed, so that the app continues to function normally.

That last quote is taken out of its context. I am pretty sure it only applies to the remote control system. Also, I have performed two firmware updates to mmcs myself and they do not involve wifi.

Like I said, mmcs is, when it comes to heating and charging, just a user interface that allows you to set the timers. But it does not hold any of those timers itself.

Anyway, best not to make to many assumptions and post them here as facts.

The quote is from the Remote Control App page ...

Ok ... I will be more careful on my assumptions.

How can you make MMCS upgrade? Is this via the memory card ? Is the firmware available somewhere for download ?

My MMCS firmware version if I recall right is "Version U" ... that is a strange "version" .. possibly is an old one ...

 

[stevek]

Initially I thought this Juro Special Edition was just a GX3H+ with a Kenwood Head Unit and Bonnet badge, but the Kenwood units have Garmin Nav, so a bit further digging and there's a press photo on Mitsubishi's site:
http://mitsubishi-media.co.uk/release/1319/#image-11573

Doesn't look the MMCS unit, but it is Mitsubishi branded. The press release http://mitsubishi-media.co.uk/release/1319/ also mentions that it supports Android Auto & CarPlay. So not sure if this is the 2017 unit for GX4H & GX5H as well, or something 'borrowed' from one of their other ranges as it doesn't seem to have any PHEV specific buttons.

 

[stevek]

Bit more digging on Mitsubishi's Paris Motorshow mini website, the Juro press photo unit looks like its the "Multifunction GPS Navigation (smartphone link)" unit, catchy name, eh? http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/jp/events/motorshow/2016/pms2016/assets/img/technology/7sda_03.pdf. It looks related to the "Display Audio with Smartphone Link" (DAS) unit fitted to Mitsubishi Mirages in the US.https://mcarsstatic.cachefly.net/pdf/owners/support/technology/MGN Owner's Manual.pdf

There is also an image of the "Smartphone Link Display Audio" (SDA) unit clearly showing a PHEV status screen. http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/jp/events/motorshow/2016/pms2016/assets/img/technology/7sda_01.pdf. It's a much cleaner looking unit with no physical buttons, so expect that's the one coming to the GX4H & GX5Hs.

I'd guess the Multifunction GPS Navigation (smartphone link) units are coming to the Mirage's and ASX's and they've fitted it to the GX3H+ to make the special edition. Guess this means the MMCS is saying farewell...

 

[stevek]

Noticed the SDA unit doesn't seem to have any built in navigation mentioned, instead relying on either Apple Maps with Carplay and Google Maps with Android Auto.

 

[elm70]

Noticed the SDA unit doesn't seem to have any built in navigation mentioned, instead relying on either Apple Maps with Carplay and Google Maps with Android Auto.

SDA sounds the future.

Yes, invest in navigation functions in the car, with 99.9% of smartphone penetration make little sense.

Still have a GPS sensor in the car is not a bad thing (GPS module in these days cost less then 10USD) ... but .. I guess people defining the SDA standards will probably take this into consideration.

In the future, it will be nice to have more "telematic" services, so having an agreement between car producers and mobile phone networks, in order to have always a communication channel to the car (alarm, find my car, pre-heat, etc)... even few "bytes" a day can give a good added value, and for sure this will not "stress much" the telecom cell network .. clearly .. it can't be for "free" ... but I believe it can be made at very interesting price point

 

[stevek]

I pretty much only use the Waze App for navigation, but I do have a large data allowance and it's occasionally frustrating if trying to start a journey and there's no 3G/4G coverage.

I can see how it would be perceived as a downgrade if the built in Nav functions are lost. It maybe they'll add a built in Nav 'App' to the SDA, the PDF's didn't seem to indicate it but guess we'll have to see what actually arrives.

 

[elm70]

I pretty much only use the Waze App for navigation, but I do have a large data allowance and it's occasionally frustrating if trying to start a journey and there's no 3G/4G coverage.

I can see how it would be perceived as a downgrade if the built in Nav functions are lost. It maybe they'll add a built in Nav 'App' to the SDA, the PDF's didn't seem to indicate it but guess we'll have to see what actually arrives.

Google maps works offline both on Android and on iPhone

I have no data on my contract ... since I'm always under WiFi coverage ... and I'm using well the Google offline maps ...

Before having android ... I had for ages a Nokia, which had always offline maps.

I'm sure, data charges will be go down even further .. and as I find myself outdated owing a Nokia Communicator phone ... soon I will be outdated on having only SMS and Voice.

Anyhow ... I think the future is to use the smartphone far navigate in the car ... how we will use it ?.. it will be up to the "prices" ...

Clearly .. it must be a nice integration .. else an on board navigator with big screen .. will be always consider a plus

At the end ... car company can still sell for high price car with a nice big screen ... which normally is crazy overprice ... like over 2k Euro on BMW for example ... for some HW that has way less than 100USD cost