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Overheating Transmission symbol of outlander roadest 2008 during hard driving what would be the problem? And its solution?

 

[AndyInOz]

2008 Outlander PHEV?

Tell 'em they're dreaming.

Wrong forum mate.

 

[Jedinsky]

Overheating Transmission symbol of outlander roadest 2008 during hard driving what would be the problem? And its solution?

2008 model uses a CVT (continuously variable transmission), early CVTs are notoriously unreliable and have more issues than a newspaper.

if you've already changed the transmission fluid and are still having the same problem it could be a malfunctioning sensor, but honestly a CVT lasting 16 years is a pretty good run, you've just gotta decide whether you want to get a mechanic to diagnose and fix the underlying issue (which could be you need a new sensor, or a new CVT) or wait until it undergoes "rapid unplanned self-disassembly".

if you haven't already changed the transmission fluid then you really should find a good mechanic.

 

[IllustratedRat]

2008 model uses a CVT (continuously variable transmission), early CVTs are notoriously unreliable and have more issues than a newspaper.

if you've already changed the transmission fluid and are still having the same problem it could be a malfunctioning sensor, but honestly a CVT lasting 16 years is a pretty good run, you've just gotta decide whether you want to get a mechanic to diagnose and fix the underlying issue (which could be you need a new sensor, or a new CVT) or wait until it undergoes "rapid unplanned self-disassembly".

if you haven't already changed the transmission fluid then you really should find a good mechanic.

There is no 2008 model PHEV. The first year the PHEV model was released was 2013 in Japan only.

The PHEV does not have a transmission - there is a dual electric-switched torque vector system (ETV) that's labelled with Mitsubishi's trademark (S-AWC), which is driven by two electric motors. The ICE only engages with the front S-AWC and the AC generator via a wet-clutch-driven mechanism called a Multi-Mode Dedicated Hybrid Transmission (MMDHT) which prevents stress on the drivetrain and provides the most efficient transfer of rotational torque to the rest of the car. There is NO CVT in this vehicle, although the non-PHEV version DOES have a CVT.

There are two fixed gear ratios in the PHEV - forward and reverse - between the electric motors and the axles. No transmission is necessary because electric motors have essentially a flat torque-curve (torque vs. angular velocity).

This is the third-party manufacturer who makes the part:

https://www.gknautomotive.com/en/sy...ic/multi-mode-dedicated-hybrid-transmission2/

 

[drwho]

There is no 2008 model PHEV. The first year the PHEV model was released was 2013 in Japan only.

The PHEV does not have a transmission - there is a dual electric-switched torque vector system (ETV) that's labelled with Mitsubishi's trademark (S-AWC), which is driven by two electric motors. The ICE only engages with the front S-AWC and the AC generator via a wet-clutch-driven mechanism called a Multi-Mode Dedicated Hybrid Transmission (MMDHT) which prevents stress on the drivetrain and provides the most efficient transfer of rotational torque to the rest of the car. There is NO CVT in this vehicle, although the non-PHEV version DOES have a CVT.

There are two fixed gear ratios in the PHEV - forward and reverse - between the electric motors and the axles. No transmission is necessary because electric motors have essentially a flat torque-curve (torque vs. angular velocity).

This is the third-party manufacturer who makes the part:

https://www.gknautomotive.com/en/sy...ic/multi-mode-dedicated-hybrid-transmission2/

Hey, thanks for the real info regarding the drive train on the PHEV Outlanders. We have a 2024 GT Premium and I love the way it drives with what I thot was a CVT. It's just so smooth and easy to drive and maneuver.
The only problem with knowing this now is that I'll have to tell my wife that I was wrong (again) and that the ultra-smooth drive train isn't because of a good CVT
design or sourcing. Mais, c'est la vie ...

 

[Jedinsky]

There is no 2008 model PHEV. The first year the PHEV model was released was 2013 in Japan only.

The PHEV does not have a transmission - there is a dual electric-switched torque vector system (ETV) that's labelled with Mitsubishi's trademark (S-AWC), which is driven by two electric motors. The ICE only engages with the front S-AWC and the AC generator via a wet-clutch-driven mechanism called a Multi-Mode Dedicated Hybrid Transmission (MMDHT) which prevents stress on the drivetrain and provides the most efficient transfer of rotational torque to the rest of the car. There is NO CVT in this vehicle, although the non-PHEV version DOES have a CVT.

There are two fixed gear ratios in the PHEV - forward and reverse - between the electric motors and the axles. No transmission is necessary because electric motors have essentially a flat torque-curve (torque vs. angular velocity).

This is the third-party manufacturer who makes the part:

https://www.gknautomotive.com/en/sy...ic/multi-mode-dedicated-hybrid-transmission2/

i was aware there was no 2008 outlander phev, but the information about the ETV and MMDHT was worth waiting for, so much of the information on google is just marketing garbage with no real substance.

 

[IllustratedRat]

Hey, thanks for the real info regarding the drive train on the PHEV Outlanders. We have a 2024 GT Premium and I love the way it drives with what I thot was a CVT. It's just so smooth and easy to drive and maneuver.
The only problem with knowing this now is that I'll have to tell my wife that I was wrong (again) and that the ultra-smooth drive train isn't because of a good CVT
design or sourcing. Mais, c'est la vie ...

Ah, no worries mate. If your wife is anything like mine, she'll want to know the real answer and won't care whether your first take was right or wrong.

G*d knows I've made bad estimates a few times. My life-partner forgives me for that.

 

[IllustratedRat]

i was aware there was no 2008 outlander phev, but the information about the ETV and MMDHT was worth waiting for, so much of the information on google is just marketing garbage with no real substance.

Yes, very true. It's difficult to get to the facts through the noise.

Add to that the general fog and hype surrounding EV-adjacent technology and you've got not... not much.

Our 2021 Outie PHEV GT was only purchased after they brought the 3rd generation North American version up to the same specs as the World version. I spent a lot of time researching this vehicle because it is my wife's car and I didn't want her to get stuck with a piece of sh*t, if you'll pardon the expression. At the time there was no other 2-motor, AWD PHEV available in the US.

 

[blamus]

There is no 2008 model PHEV. The first year the PHEV model was released was 2013 in Japan only.

The PHEV does not have a transmission - there is a dual electric-switched torque vector system (ETV) that's labelled with Mitsubishi's trademark (S-AWC), which is driven by two electric motors. The ICE only engages with the front S-AWC and the AC generator via a wet-clutch-driven mechanism called a Multi-Mode Dedicated Hybrid Transmission (MMDHT) which prevents stress on the drivetrain and provides the most efficient transfer of rotational torque to the rest of the car. There is NO CVT in this vehicle, although the non-PHEV version DOES have a CVT.

There are two fixed gear ratios in the PHEV - forward and reverse - between the electric motors and the axles. No transmission is necessary because electric motors have essentially a flat torque-curve (torque vs. angular velocity).

This is the third-party manufacturer who makes the part:

https://www.gknautomotive.com/en/sy...ic/multi-mode-dedicated-hybrid-transmission2/

Great info! I am researching getting a 2019 outlander phev and got worried reading about CVT issues with non phev versions. Now I'm not worried. Can get some buying advice? What other common issues are there with this car and different years? Is the cold start a problem if I don't mind the ICE turning on? I'm in CO and drive I70 for skiing regularly and it can get down to -20F. Not being able to start driving RIGHT AWAY when I get into my car in extreme cold is not an option. my 2010 ford escape hybrid with 270k miles does not have a problem starting in any temperature (the ICE portion just rev like crazy to compensate for the lack of electric motor until the battery wants to play - thats workable for me.)

 

[PHEV07]

Great info! I am researching getting a 2019 outlander phev and got worried reading about CVT issues with non phev versions. Now I'm not worried. Can get some buying advice? What other common issues are there with this car and different years? Is the cold start a problem if I don't mind the ICE turning on? I'm in CO and drive I70 for skiing regularly and it can get down to -20F. Not being able to start driving RIGHT AWAY when I get into my car in extreme cold is not an option. my 2010 ford escape hybrid with 270k miles does not have a problem starting in any temperature (the ICE portion just rev like crazy to compensate for the lack of electric motor until the battery wants to play - thats workable for me.)

I owned a 2018 GT and drove it at Temps lower than -40'C or -40'F and never had an issue.

When it gets too cold for the car to drive in EV Only Mode the ICE starts and Drives the wheels while charging the Battery.

I drove it from Feb 2018 till Sep 2022 and never had an issue with the car.

 

[blamus]

I owned a 2018 GT and drove it at Temps lower than -40'C or -40'F and never had an issue.

When it gets too cold for the car to drive in EV Only Mode the ICE starts and Drives the wheels while charging the Battery.

I drove it from Feb 2018 till Sep 2022 and never had an issue with the car.

Awsome. My friend bought the phev today. 2019 with 80k miles. It qualify for the $4k tax credit too (in the US). That made me want one before trump takes the credit away. But i'm more interested in a bigger battery.

1. Is 2023 the first year with bigger battery?
2. For your 2024 without a battery heater, have you ever had issues with starting in -40? What is this class action lawsuit that says they can't turn on the car below -25? because of built in battery protection?
3. His 2019 SEL does NOT have the 1500W outlet. Is this only available on GT trim on all model years?
4. Is the factory 1500W inverter connected to the EV battery (not the 12v), and so, installing an aftermarket inverter does not provide the same functionality? (the 12V battery would go empty quickly and the EV battery would need to charge it, and then the ICE would turn on to charge that? And theres more loss in all the conversion?)
5. Any model years I should avoid?
6. What do I gain from 2023 vs the older generation other than battery size?

Thanks!

 

[PHEV07]

Awsome. My friend bought the phev today. 2019 with 80k miles. It qualify for the $4k tax credit too (in the US). That made me want one before trump takes the credit away. But i'm more interested in a bigger battery.

1. Is 2023 the first year with bigger battery?

Yes

2. For your 2024 without a battery heater, have you ever had issues with starting in -40? What is this class action lawsuit that says they can't turn on the car below -25? because of built in battery protection?

It did hit -40'C twice this winter. ICE started without being plugged in but it cranked slowly. Interior heating was terrible.

No issues at -25'C but cold. 2nd time it hit -41'C I did plug Charge Cable in but charging stopped at 75% Light showed charging but Battery only charged to 75%

With no Built in Protection, car will not operate on EV Mode when Battery Temps are lower than -16'C

3. His 2019 SEL does NOT have the 1500W outlet. Is this only available on GT trim on all model years?

I believe so

4. Is the factory 1500W inverter connected to the EV battery (not the 12v), and so, installing an aftermarket inverter does not provide the same functionality? (the 12V battery would go empty quickly and the EV battery would need to charge it, and then the ICE would turn on to charge that? And theres more loss in all the conversion?)

Yes. Inverter connects to to Drive Battery. If one would connect a 1500W Inverter to the 12V Battery, it would draw 125 Amps. (NOT RECOMMENDED). A smalle wattage Inverter would be advised and connected directed to 12V Batterh with fuse.

5. Any model years I should avoid?

If driving in Temps lower than -15'C, the heat pump stops working. If buying used I would avoid the 2023 to 2025 unless you have a 2nd vehicle. If you do, the the 20kWh Battery is great in driving Spring thru the Fall. The 2023 to 2025 are not recommended for Cold weather

6. What do I gain from 2023 vs the older generation other than battery size?

2023 to 2025 GT has more features like HUD, Driving assist. 3rd row if you have small kids

Thanks!

 

[Polyian]

I would not recommend connecting any inverter to the 12 volt battery. If you kill this battery you are dead in the water. It is very small battery and designed to be used to power the 12 volt electrics. It is needed to power the CPU in order to signal the large battery to wake up and power the vehicle when you press the start button.

 

[drwho]

Great info! I am researching getting a 2019 outlander phev and got worried reading about CVT issues with non phev versions. Now I'm not worried. Can get some buying advice? What other common issues are there with this car and different years? Is the cold start a problem if I don't mind the ICE turning on? I'm in CO and drive I70 for skiing regularly and it can get down to -20F. Not being able to start driving RIGHT AWAY when I get into my car in extreme cold is not an option. my 2010 ford escape hybrid with 270k miles does not have a problem starting in any temperature (the ICE portion just rev like crazy to compensate for the lack of electric motor until the battery wants to play - thats workable for me.)

In Toronto, -10 to -15 is about as low as it gets during the day so I haven't had any issues. But from what I've read on this forum, -20 to -25 could give you a no-start problem.
Check some of the other threads on here, the temps and issues are covered quite thoroughly.
Best of luck.
Dave
PS - lot of good info from PHEF07, as he is in a cold climate area.