Flappy paddle functions

[MarkC]

I can't quite figure out the logic behind how the flappy paddles work. It appears that the same dyslexic person that designed the drive knob (push it forward to go backwards and backwards to go forward!!) also must have had some design input on the breaking too. The left paddle on my car is marked minus but increases the breaking and the right paddle, marked plus and also "off" decreases it. Now this is where it gets weird, if you pull the right leaver it does indeed take the breaking off unless you hold it then it puts the breaking on?? Just to make even less sense the B (for breaking) indicator goes off and you now have gone back to "D". Except you are actually in the undisplayed B2 breaking mode. Why? You have just turned all the breaking off by holding the paddle !! Surely one paddle should add breaking and the other take it off and a sane person would have made holding either paddle for a couple of seconds would take you to the maximum of their function. There certainly should be no situation where there is breaking selected but no display to that effect. Is this the same on later vehicles? I have some feedback from Mitsubishi[/color]
Mitsubishi have replied that when you hold the right paddle marked "off" for a few seconds it puts the car in the default mode as if you had just started it. This is actually B2. It seems they can't make their mind up because the Gear lever sets braking to B3 which the manual says is the normal breaking response of a petrol engine. There is no circumstance where you want to quickly turn the breaking just to B2 but plenty of use for going straight to zero. In fact if you were in B1 and held the paddle a bit too long you would be actually turning up the breaking!
I am convinced now that is just a design fault that they couldn't be arsed to fix.

 

[Bladevane]

Trying to figure out the logic is, I have discovered, a somewhat pointless waste of effort. Much better to put the brain cells to use in memorising what to do. Such as holding the ACC button down for 2 or so seconds switches conventional cruise control on. Holding the lane departure button down for 15 seconds switches that function off. Need I say more??

 

[greendwarf]

Whilst I agree with you about the gear stick coming from a Toyota manual - I still under stress select reverse instead of drive - many cars have the same layout, so it is just a matter of what you are used to.

But I have no problem with the paddles as I have never used anything like them before, so nothing to unlearn. I certainly don't have the opportunity to look at the symbols on them when driving or even if B or D (default?) is showing to worry about whether what I am doing instinctively now matches the writing :lol:

 

[Tipper]

I liken the paddle functions to increasing the 'braking' effect which slows you down more therefore the - on the paddle. Conversely reducing the 'braking' effect allows the car to speed up hence the + sign.

Edit: My wife has just said she likens it to changing down a gear (-) for long hill descents but finds no other use for it at all!

As to the 'gearlever' it's basically the same layout as a conventional automatic gearbox but without the 'P' Park position. This allows almost anyone...except those that don't (and won't!) understand automatic car driving, to jump in and get movement out of the car.

Personally I love autos so no issues at all with driving my PHEV.

 

[TimH]

I liken the paddle functions to increasing the 'braking' effect which slows you down more therefore the - on the paddle. Conversely reducing the 'braking' effect allows the car to speed up hence the + sign.

I thought it illogical, but having had the car for 6 weeks now I don't look at the writing of course as I know which paddle does what. No big deal.

As to the 'gearlever' it's basically the same layout as a conventional automatic gearbox but without the 'P' Park position. This allows almost anyone...except those that don't (and won't) understand automatic car driving, to jump in and get movement out of the car.

Now that's a good explanation - I still find it counter-intuitive having come from a manual car, but I have driven an auto many times and not had an issue - which is, I think, because the lever physically moves down from park, through reverse, to drive (then 2 and 1, or whatever), whereas the joystick in the PHEV always springs back to the middle position.

But at least likening it to an auto box does help explain it!!

 

[vs2]

It's everywhere in life, like why with Microsoft Windows did you have you use the 'start' icon to switch the computer 'off'.

 

[greendwarf]

It's everywhere in life, like why with Microsoft Windows did you have you use the 'start' icon to switch the computer 'off'.

Or why telephone key pads are upside-down in relation to calculators :?

 

[Tipper]

I blame Clive Sinclair myself! (First electronic calculator)

 

[jthspace]

I blame Clive Sinclair myself! (First electronic calculator)

He was the first CHEAP electronic calculator, but I as using a calculator with the "standard" keypad in 1972 with Nixie tubes, but I still preferred the "mangle" I learned to use in 1970 when I started work - which was similar to this one

http://previews.123rf.com/images/fr...Vintage-mechanical-calculator-Stock-Photo.jpg

I could work out percentages faster on the mangle than those now fangled calculators . . . .

Sinclair came along in 1973 as the transistor calculators were taking over from the mechanical/electrical versions.

I think I would prefer a car with a starting handle as well.

Jeff

 

[greendwarf]

A beauty and these even faster for straight adding up

http://www.vintagecalculators.com/BellPunch/html/mechanical_calculator_days.html

 

[SolarBoy]

Trying to figure out the logic is, I have discovered, a somewhat pointless waste of effort. Much better to put the brain cells to use in memorising what to do. Such as holding the ACC button down for 2 or so seconds switches conventional cruise control on. Holding the lane departure button down for 15 seconds switches that function off. Need I say more??

Cheers for the tip for standard cruise control, I knew it had it somewhere.

 

[jaapv]

Standard helps economy a little, but I prefer the convenience of ACC. My record stands at driving 231 Km in normal motorway traffic without touching brake or accelerator.

 

[ufo]

Standard helps economy a little, but I prefer the convenience of ACC. My record stands at driving 231 Km in normal motorway traffic without touching brake or accelerator.

Yessss, I just love the ACC but would love more if it picked up automatically after a complete stop.

Talking about driving without touching brake or accelerator, I sometimes mange to reach work or drive back without touching brake paddle only using hand paddles.

One thing about paddles, I would love to have an option to go to level 0 when you hold + paddle long enough.

Or even better, MM can leave what happens when you pull which paddle for how long to the owner/driver so everyone sets it up any way they like.
when you think of it there are so many useless options to control how blinkers, wipers, lights so on... function. I never used them, do you?

 

[NAPpy]

My wife had an ASX before the PHEV and it had the excat same flappy paddles as the PHEV to simulate gears, -ve went down a gear (extra braking) and the +ve went up a gear (less braking) so the PHEV system seems to make sense to me.

As for the gear knob, it is in sequence with an auto gear lever and the same setup as the Toyota Prius (up for reverse, down for forward).

NAPpy

 

[vs2]

With RHD cars I use the shifter to go down the 'B' modes and then the right paddle to go back up the 'B' modes and I don't really use the left paddle. What I would like is that the left paddle to be a variable pressure 'B' mode brake, like your foot on the brake pedal and when you release it it goes back to B0, then apply pressure to replicate B0-B5. Maybe it could show on the dash or better yet on a HUD.

 

[DazzyB]

I'm pretty sure the markings on the paddles are just a carry over from using them for semi-auto gear change on other models. Mitsubishi just didn't bother re-tooling to remove or change the markings for the PHEV. You can imagine they mean whatever you want but they probably mean nothing!

 

[greendwarf]

Whilst I agree with you about the gear stick coming from a Toyota manual - I still under stress select reverse instead of drive - many cars have the same layout, so it is just a matter of what you are used to.
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But I have no problem with the paddles as I have never used anything like them before, so nothing to unlearn. I certainly don't have the opportunity to look at the symbols on them when driving or even if B or D (default?) is showing to worry about whether what I am doing instinctively now matches the writing :lol:

+1 had small manual hire car, first after 2 years, for 24 hours yesterday - today, twice put the PHEV into reverse pulling away and once stamped on the non-existent clutch to stop quickly :? :lol: